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Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'
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RE: Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'
I was already of this conviction.
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RE: Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'
(October 9, 2013 at 3:25 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: If Jesus had been invented it then would have gone something like this.

"Good news Christ has risen!"

"Who?"

"Jesus Christ was executed a few years and rose again?"

Nothing written about any of this by any contemporaneous historian, even though there were many of them in the area at the time.

Not a single record of a rabble rousing, miracle working Rabbi.

Nothing about a large number of holy men rising from graves and wandering around Jerusalem.

Not a single culture anywhere near the area recorded a thing about the sun going black for 3 hours, even though this would have been a terrifying event.

Quote:And that would have killed the movement in it's tracks.

What saved the movement was Constantine. If he decided the state religion was going to be Zoroastrianism, you'd be praying to Ahura Mazda now. I'd still be an atheist.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'
(October 9, 2013 at 12:10 pm)Zazzy Wrote: I don't care whether Jesus existed or not, and I don't think most Christians care, either. We will all still go about our daily business regardless.

I've officially decided to advocate for "The Jesus Moot" theory.

I've been officially worn down by the scholars-say shuffle and arguing over whether or not Tacitus is sufficient proof. I now regret the time and energy I spent on arguing for the Jesus Myth only for the reason that it would all be better spent on talking about the Bible.

Was he a miracle working godman? No.

Do we know anything about what he really taught? No.

Do we know any details about his life or ministry? No.

Do we have any detailed information at all outside the NT? No.

So basically, The Historical Jesus ™ is some guy with a common name who was one of many doom-criers and messiah-wannabes of the time and got crucified like many other religious leaders under Pilate and we'll never know what the real story was beneath all the folklore. Oh, and he had a brother with a common name, too.

TM: The Historical Jesus is a trademark of Bart Ehrman, all rights to chase after him through the dusty scrolls in his ivory tower reserved.
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This was shared on my facebook page.

Joseph Atwill's, Caesar’s Messiah: The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus, Reviewed by Robert M. Price
Teenaged X-Files obsession + Bermuda Triangle episode + Self-led school research project = Atheist.
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RE: Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'
(October 9, 2013 at 10:05 am)Gooders1002 Wrote:
Quote:Biblical scholars will be appearing at the 'Covert Messiah' Conference at Conway Hall in London on the 19th of October to present this controversial discovery to the British public.
American Biblical scholar Joseph Atwill will be appearing before the British public for the first time in London on the 19th of October to present a controversial new discovery: ancient confessions recently uncovered now prove, according to Atwill, that the New Testament was written by first-century Roman aristocrats and that they fabricated the entire story of Jesus Christ. His presentation will be part of a one-day symposium entitled "Covert Messiah" at Conway Hall in Holborn (full details can be found at http://www.covertmessiah.com).
http://uk.prweb.com/releases/2013/10/prweb11201273.htm
Well how do you like them apples? Also I do not believe this is the end of Christianity but it may bring out those who are not completely close minded or are unsure of their faith.

When the 'alternative explanation' is a conspiracy theory, I have to take it with about a metric ton of salt. The evidence will have to be very convincing.
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RE: Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'
(October 9, 2013 at 3:25 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: If Jesus had been invented it then would have gone something like this.

"Good news Christ has risen!"

"Who?"

"Jesus Christ was executed a few years and rose again?"

"No I don't remember him around these here parts"

"Perhaps you just forgot about him. it was about 20 years ago?"

"No I think I would remember him."

And that would have killed the movement in it's tracks.

That's why they waited at least 70 years before inventing the gospels. Then it would go something like this:

"Of course you don't remember Jesus, he died before you were born, but let me tell you about all these wondrous things he did."
Christian apologetics is the art of rolling a dog turd in sugar and selling it as a donut.
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RE: Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'
Price did a good job in that and still failed to consider the political situation in Rome.

The jews were crushed so thoroughly in 70 that when other eastern jewish communities rebelled in 115 AD they sat there and said "no thanks, boys....we'll sit this one out." The message had sunk in and it wasn't until Hadrian provoked them in 132 that they rebelled again. And were crushed, again.

Some fucking people never learn.

The notion that Vespasian would have even felt the need to bother with the jews is laughable. He had just dealt with them...at the point of a sword.
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RE: Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'
(October 9, 2013 at 4:48 pm)Minimalist Wrote: The jews were crushed so thoroughly in 70 that when other eastern jewish communities rebelled in 115 AD they sat there and said "no thanks, boys....we'll sit this one out."

Maybe it was because they were splitters.
Christian apologetics is the art of rolling a dog turd in sugar and selling it as a donut.
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RE: Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'
Maybe its because they were still pulling Roman spears out of their asses.

Angel
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RE: Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'
(October 9, 2013 at 10:05 am)Gooders1002 Wrote: .....New Testament was written by first-century Roman aristocrats and that they fabricated the entire story of Jesus Christ.

His evidence?
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