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And Hells come back to haunt me
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RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
October 18, 2013 at 7:25 am
(October 18, 2013 at 6:43 am)hobie Wrote: I am fearful of Eternal punishment.And I am afraid to not believe in God because of it.

You must believe in a really dumb god who can't figure out that his little toy people only claim to love him because they are scared of him.

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RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
October 18, 2013 at 9:26 am
(October 18, 2013 at 6:43 am)hobie Wrote: I am fearful of Eternal punishment.And I am afraid to not believe in God because of it.

Gutted for you, I guess.
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RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
October 18, 2013 at 7:29 pm
(October 17, 2013 at 9:58 am)Aral Gamelon Wrote:
(October 17, 2013 at 1:57 am)Godschild Wrote: How could it be possible for the rich man to have expressed his desire for others not to be where he is without being there, not possible. We would have not had to go this long route around if you had just given your understanding to begin with. Getting atheist to give answers around here is like pulling hens teeth. Good to see you understand this parable and you put it in writing, want be able to use this as an excuse at God's judgement, you do know about God's judgement and excuses, right.

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It's entirely possible. Have you ever seen where an action is heading and instantly regretted it? In this moment with the prospect of being sent to a torturous realm one could certainly have expressed the want to warn others not to follow his fate.

I'm not familiar with this bit about god and excuses, no. Preachers and thumpers around here are pretty cut and dry with the 'fact' that god will send me to hell.

As a non-believer I am thoroughly unconcerned with such statements.

The rich man understood before he died, why did he wait till it was to late? Because he's like the ones he wants to save from that place, Jesus said it wouldn't matter if they and he didn't listen to Moses they want listen to one who is experiencing eternal punishment.

I'm not try to convert you if that's what you're hinting at, that's God's business.

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RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
October 18, 2013 at 7:35 pm
(October 18, 2013 at 7:29 pm)Godschild Wrote: I'm not try to convert you if that's what you're hinting at, that's God's business.

Then there's no problem. Thanks for clearing that up.
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RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
October 18, 2013 at 7:39 pm
(October 18, 2013 at 7:08 am)Esquilax Wrote:
(October 18, 2013 at 6:43 am)hobie Wrote: I am fearful of Eternal punishment.And I am afraid to not believe in God because of it.

Happily, that's a really easy fear to erase: just ask yourself, how much time have you spent being afraid of any other hell? How afraid are you of the muslim hell? Or any number of additional hells that don't belong to a specific religion but have just as much evidence for them as the christian hell?

Chances are, you don't spend any time at all worrying of the eternal punishment of any religion that isn't from your dominant cultural context. Once you realize that, it'll go some way to showing you how little reason you have to be worrying about the christian hell too.

well not exactly, the reality of it is independent of a person's opinion or a mental game played, or what the muslims think.
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RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
October 18, 2013 at 7:59 pm
(October 18, 2013 at 7:39 pm)snowtracks Wrote: well not exactly, the reality of it is independent of a person's opinion or a mental game played, or what the muslims think.

No, the reality of it is that I can posit an infinite number of gods with an infinite number of requirements to stay out of hell, and I'm sure you don't fear ending up in their hell.
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RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
October 19, 2013 at 12:37 am
(October 18, 2013 at 7:39 pm)snowtracks Wrote: well not exactly, the reality of it is independent of a person's opinion or a mental game played, or what the muslims think.

Not my point at all, though. I'm saying that it's silly to fear one hell over any other, when they all have the same level of evidence behind them and are equally likely to be real.
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RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
October 19, 2013 at 2:11 am
(October 19, 2013 at 12:37 am)Esquilax Wrote:
(October 18, 2013 at 7:39 pm)snowtracks Wrote: well not exactly, the reality of it is independent of a person's opinion or a mental game played, or what the muslims think.

Not my point at all, though. I'm saying that it's silly to fear one hell over any other, when they all have the same level of evidence behind them and are equally likely to be real.

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RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
October 20, 2013 at 8:56 am
(October 18, 2013 at 7:25 am)Brakeman Wrote: [quote='hobie' pid='527097' dateline='1382093003']
I am fearful of Eternal punishment.And I am afraid to not believe in God because of it.
Sounds like one of those abusive, co-depending relationships where the person is in denial about the prison they're in and everybody knows they need to leave but sthey cling on for some damn reason.
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RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
October 20, 2013 at 9:14 am
There are many visions of hell; but that is all they are - visions. There is no evidence.

Can we talk about something interesting, like "How many angels can dance on the head of a pin"?
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