Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: December 3, 2024, 10:08 am
Atheist Forums › Community › Religion › Christianity v
And Hells come back to haunt me

Thread Rating:
  • 2 Vote(s) - 3 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Thread Modes
And Hells come back to haunt me
Brakeman Offline Donators
Donator
*****
Religious Views: Atheist - Completely Certain
Posts: 2174
Threads: 89
Joined: August 26, 2012
Reputation: 38
#111
RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
October 18, 2013 at 7:25 am
(October 18, 2013 at 6:43 am)hobie Wrote: I am fearful of Eternal punishment.And I am afraid to not believe in God because of it.

You must believe in a really dumb god who can't figure out that his little toy people only claim to love him because they are scared of him.

[Image: God+Abuse.jpg]
Find the cure for Fundementia!
Find
Reply
Fidel_Castronaut Away
Give what back?
****
Religious Views: ブーニベルゼ
Posts: 6990
Threads: 89
Joined: January 6, 2012
Reputation: 104
#112
RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
October 18, 2013 at 9:26 am
(October 18, 2013 at 6:43 am)hobie Wrote: I am fearful of Eternal punishment.And I am afraid to not believe in God because of it.

Gutted for you, I guess.
Please take a moment to read the updated AtheistForums.org rules here 
Love atheistforums.org? Consider becoming a patreon and helping towards our server costs.

[Image: 146748944129044_zpsomrzyn3d.gif]
Find
Reply
Godscreated Offline
Senior Member
****
Religious Views: Christian
Posts: 8781
Threads: 26
Joined: March 15, 2010
Reputation: 29
#113
RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
October 18, 2013 at 7:29 pm
(October 17, 2013 at 9:58 am)Aral Gamelon Wrote:
(October 17, 2013 at 1:57 am)Godschild Wrote: How could it be possible for the rich man to have expressed his desire for others not to be where he is without being there, not possible. We would have not had to go this long route around if you had just given your understanding to begin with. Getting atheist to give answers around here is like pulling hens teeth. Good to see you understand this parable and you put it in writing, want be able to use this as an excuse at God's judgement, you do know about God's judgement and excuses, right.

Smile GC
It's entirely possible. Have you ever seen where an action is heading and instantly regretted it? In this moment with the prospect of being sent to a torturous realm one could certainly have expressed the want to warn others not to follow his fate.

I'm not familiar with this bit about god and excuses, no. Preachers and thumpers around here are pretty cut and dry with the 'fact' that god will send me to hell.

As a non-believer I am thoroughly unconcerned with such statements.

The rich man understood before he died, why did he wait till it was to late? Because he's like the ones he wants to save from that place, Jesus said it wouldn't matter if they and he didn't listen to Moses they want listen to one who is experiencing eternal punishment.

I'm not try to convert you if that's what you're hinting at, that's God's business.

Bounce Ball GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
Find
Reply
Cyberman Away
Beta cuck male
*****
Religious Views: Frisbeetarian
Posts: 25314
Threads: 239
Joined: August 26, 2010
Reputation: 156
#114
RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
October 18, 2013 at 7:35 pm
(October 18, 2013 at 7:29 pm)Godschild Wrote: I'm not try to convert you if that's what you're hinting at, that's God's business.

Then there's no problem. Thanks for clearing that up.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
Find
Reply
snowtracks Offline
Member
***
Religious Views: Righteous Christian
Posts: 957
Threads: 1
Joined: October 10, 2013
Reputation: 2
#115
RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
October 18, 2013 at 7:39 pm
(October 18, 2013 at 7:08 am)Esquilax Wrote:
(October 18, 2013 at 6:43 am)hobie Wrote: I am fearful of Eternal punishment.And I am afraid to not believe in God because of it.

Happily, that's a really easy fear to erase: just ask yourself, how much time have you spent being afraid of any other hell? How afraid are you of the muslim hell? Or any number of additional hells that don't belong to a specific religion but have just as much evidence for them as the christian hell?

Chances are, you don't spend any time at all worrying of the eternal punishment of any religion that isn't from your dominant cultural context. Once you realize that, it'll go some way to showing you how little reason you have to be worrying about the christian hell too.

well not exactly, the reality of it is independent of a person's opinion or a mental game played, or what the muslims think.
Atheist Credo: A universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.
Find
Reply
Faith No More Offline
Better living through chemistry
*****
Religious Views: It's a drug like any other
Posts: 13051
Threads: 66
Joined: February 7, 2011
Reputation: 92
#116
RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
October 18, 2013 at 7:59 pm
(October 18, 2013 at 7:39 pm)snowtracks Wrote: well not exactly, the reality of it is independent of a person's opinion or a mental game played, or what the muslims think.

No, the reality of it is that I can posit an infinite number of gods with an infinite number of requirements to stay out of hell, and I'm sure you don't fear ending up in their hell.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
Find
Reply
Esquilax Offline
A Death Star for bad arguments.
*****
Religious Views: AF's own William Lane Craig
Posts: 11260
Threads: 61
Joined: January 5, 2013
Reputation: 123
#117
RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
October 19, 2013 at 12:37 am
(October 18, 2013 at 7:39 pm)snowtracks Wrote: well not exactly, the reality of it is independent of a person's opinion or a mental game played, or what the muslims think.

Not my point at all, though. I'm saying that it's silly to fear one hell over any other, when they all have the same level of evidence behind them and are equally likely to be real.
"YOU take the hard look in the mirror. You are everything that is wrong with this world. The only thing important to you, is you." - ronedee

Want to see more of my writing? Check out my (safe for work!) site, Unprotected Sects!
Find
Reply
snowtracks Offline
Member
***
Religious Views: Righteous Christian
Posts: 957
Threads: 1
Joined: October 10, 2013
Reputation: 2
#118
RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
October 19, 2013 at 2:11 am
(October 19, 2013 at 12:37 am)Esquilax Wrote:
(October 18, 2013 at 7:39 pm)snowtracks Wrote: well not exactly, the reality of it is independent of a person's opinion or a mental game played, or what the muslims think.

Not my point at all, though. I'm saying that it's silly to fear one hell over any other, when they all have the same level of evidence behind them and are equally likely to be real.

fair enough.
Atheist Credo: A universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.
Find
Reply
Searching4truth Offline
Recently Freed From Bondage of Religion
**
Religious Views: Humanist
Posts: 193
Threads: 1
Joined: September 9, 2013
Reputation: 5
#119
RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
October 20, 2013 at 8:56 am
(October 18, 2013 at 7:25 am)Brakeman Wrote: [quote='hobie' pid='527097' dateline='1382093003']
I am fearful of Eternal punishment.And I am afraid to not believe in God because of it.
Sounds like one of those abusive, co-depending relationships where the person is in denial about the prison they're in and everybody knows they need to leave but sthey cling on for some damn reason.
Find
Reply
Chas Offline
Terse.
****
Religious Views: atheist
Posts: 3817
Threads: 5
Joined: November 19, 2012
Reputation: 54
#120
RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
October 20, 2013 at 9:14 am
There are many visions of hell; but that is all they are - visions. There is no evidence.

Can we talk about something interesting, like "How many angels can dance on the head of a pin"?
Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
Find
Reply


Atheist Forums › Community › Religion › Christianity v
And Hells come back to haunt me

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Where does the belief that seeds die before they turn into a living plant come from? FlatAssembler 17 1899 August 3, 2023 at 10:38 am
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink vorlon13 11 3094 August 1, 2017 at 12:25 am
Last Post: ignoramus
  Chris Brown should be come a Christian Tarasoft11 15 3052 September 7, 2016 at 3:31 pm
Last Post: drfuzzy
  Christian Hell vs. Other Hells? TrueChristian 17 5425 January 13, 2016 at 12:59 am
Last Post: green.joel2
  Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer. SavedByGraceThruFaith 2761 847024 September 6, 2015 at 4:31 pm
Last Post: The Valkyrie
  How Long Will Christians Wait for the End Time to Come? Rhondazvous 237 42871 September 3, 2015 at 3:52 pm
Last Post: Rhondazvous
  'it will come back to you' Longhorn 23 5609 June 20, 2015 at 11:52 am
Last Post: AFTT47
  Christians Come to the Waters... daver49 2 1357 March 20, 2015 at 7:14 pm
Last Post: Cyberman
  Why Christians come to atheist forums watchamadoodle 112 28575 March 17, 2015 at 3:32 am
Last Post: Cyberman
  That Day will come as a trap on all the world professor 1458 225661 October 13, 2014 at 8:41 pm
Last Post: The Valkyrie



Users browsing this thread: 9 Guest(s)