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Abiogenesis is impossible
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 (October 18, 2013 at 12:07 am)snowtracks Wrote:(October 17, 2013 at 10:48 pm)Stimbo Wrote: And that proof is..? Do you know what the word "theorems", ergo theories mean? They are ideas that explain evidence, not the evidence itself. Give us the evidence.
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 (October 18, 2013 at 7:38 am)Brakeman Wrote:(October 18, 2013 at 12:07 am)snowtracks Wrote: the space-time theorems. well, your defination seems to be saying that the evidence is there. what do others think about his defination of 'theorem' in this context? these theorems are extention of the theory of Rel.. so can't get any more scientific then that. the U. is an effect. 'nothing' isn't going to be the cause. the cause is always greater than the effect. krauss in his 'nothing' book states - cannot rule out a deistic view of nature.
Atheist Credo: A universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.
Snowtracks
Can you please use full words. Using rel and dim is kinda annoying. You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid. Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis. (October 18, 2013 at 8:08 pm)snowtracks Wrote:I'm not really sure what you are trying to say here, but I'm guessing that you mean that there is no evidence to base the theory of relativity on? Well there is, and do you know what observed phenomena inspired the mathematical model for the theory that you say "breaks down" seconds after the "big bang"? ( I think you are referring to the math model fault at the tiniest fraction of a second before the singularity going back in time, not forward as you stated.)(October 18, 2013 at 7:38 am)Brakeman Wrote: Do you know what the word "theorems", ergo theories mean? They are ideas that explain evidence, not the evidence itself. Give us the evidence. It sounds to me that you've read a couple of articles about the big bang and are desperately trying to find a crack to stuff your god in. You said: (October 17, 2013 at 10:39 pm)snowtracks Wrote: We now have proof, that the cause-effect phenomena is limited to a first order infinity.I asked you for that "proof." (October 14, 2013 at 7:42 pm)snowtracks Wrote:Where is your "proof" or evidence for this statement? We have no evidence for god and god is not mentioned in any of the evidence or mathematical models we have for relativity or the "big bang."(October 14, 2013 at 4:22 pm)Esquilax Wrote: As for snowtracks,.. God doesn't require a 'beginning' when view in the proper timeline (not the U.) frame of reference nor be 'caused'.
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 (October 17, 2013 at 10:39 pm)snowtracks Wrote: We now have proof, that the cause-effect phenomena is limited to a first order infinity. I get the feeling that you're just throwing shit out there to see what sticks without acutally understanding the terms that you're using.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
 (October 19, 2013 at 10:29 am)Brakeman Wrote: It sounds to me that you've read a couple of articles about the big bang and are desperately trying to find a crack to stuff your god in.He read articles? I think you're giving him way too much credit, here! I'd go for a few blog posts, maybe a book or so from WLC... a few youtube videos... Not to mention the guy in the pulpit. (October 19, 2013 at 11:00 am)pocaracas Wrote:(October 19, 2013 at 10:29 am)Brakeman Wrote: It sounds to me that you've read a couple of articles about the big bang and are desperately trying to find a crack to stuff your god in.He read articles? I think you're giving him way too much credit, here! the article...1824 heinrich heine http://www.marxists.org/reference/archiv...2-s06.html (October 19, 2013 at 11:21 am)daandaan Wrote:nice article... I wonder if that guy will read it...(October 19, 2013 at 11:00 am)pocaracas Wrote: He read articles? I think you're giving him way too much credit, here! (October 19, 2013 at 11:40 am)pocaracas Wrote:(October 19, 2013 at 11:21 am)daandaan Wrote: the article...1824 heinrich heinenice article... I wonder if that guy will read it... no, but the quote came in handy.......... (October 19, 2013 at 11:44 am)daandaan Wrote:(October 19, 2013 at 11:40 am)pocaracas Wrote: nice article... I wonder if that guy will read it... kinda newtonian. okay guess we have to go with that. fact is: no human has ever witness an effect before a cause, nor an effect greater than it's cause. U. generator?
Atheist Credo: A universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.
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