Calling Out Demolition Deniers

[Rayaan]

Something of this scale and with this much complexity would have been exposed quite a while ago. One single whistleblower is all it would take; one guilty conscience.

Well then I have news for you, Creed: There are whistleblowers, and not just one, but numerous.


And the fact that you didn't even know about them shows how effectively the media and the government have censored the 9/11 whistleblowers from coming into spotlight. These whistleblowers oftentimes get put in prison, get fired from their job, threatened by authorities, or they get mocked by everyone by being labelled "nutty," "paranoid," "crazy" etc. ... which are just some of the corrupted ways of silencing them; that is how the government has managed to keep you completely unaware of 9/11 whistleblowers.

But if you just did a quick search in google about 9/11 whistleblowers, then maybe you would have known this. I did that and that's why I know.

Meet The 9/11 Whistleblowers

"On the contrary there have been literally dozens of whistleblowers from within the intelligence agencies, government, and the private business world who have been utterly ignored by the self-proclaimed skeptics and the corporate and foundation-funded media who realize that this is the biggest Achilles heel of the official 9/11 story."

"Many of them, in fact, have appeared at conferences, filed formal appeals, joined whistleblower organizations, and made themselves available for interviews throughout the past 12 years, but they have been scrupulously shunned by the so-called fourth estate whose monetary interests rely on the 9/11 terror paradigm to justify the ever-expanding warfare/surveillance state."

http://www.corbettreport.com/meet-the-91...leblowers/


One of the best and most courageous whistleblower on 9/11 is Susan Lindauer, a former CIA asset who was arrested without allowed to stand a court hearing nor being provided any evidence that she is guilty of a crime. She was indicted under a violation of the "Patriot Act" and judges didn't even allow her to serve a trial or hearing because they claimed that she was just "mentally unfit." They didn't even want this lady to speak. And this kind of extreme censorship is truly laughable to me.

Authorities imprisoned her because of "secret evidences" of an alleged crime while repeatedly denying her request to serve a trial, and yet she was subjected to one year in prison in Carswell Air Force Base in Texas and they even threatened her with indefinite detention as well as with forcible drugging ... but again, they did all this without presenting any evidence that she was actually guilty or even mentally unfit. And after five years of indictment without a conviction or guilty plea, the Justice Department finally dismissed all charges against her in 2009 because they couldn't justify any of the accusations made against her, so it turns out that she was right.

Lindauer is now courageously speaking out about the incredible experiences she claims landed her in prison. She presents powerful evidence that the real reason she was arrested, imprisoned, and declared incompetent was because she knew the U.S. government had clear foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks and much more.

http://www.wanttoknow.info/911/9-11_whis...n_lindauer


Here is a speech where she talks about her story and about the 9/11:




She also wrote a book about her story and about the whole 9/11 where she has described many specific dates, events, and intelligence agencies who unavailingly tried to cover up the "official" 9/11 story.

Extreme Prejudice: The Terrifying Story of the Patriot Act and the Cover Ups of 9/11 and Iraq


Another whistleblower on 9/11 is Sibel Edmonds, a former translator for the FBI, whom I learned of yesterday from this post.

Sibel Edmonds, a former translator for the FBI with top-secret security clearance, said she spent more than three hours in a closed session with the commission's investigators providing information that was circulating within the FBI in the spring and summer of 2001 suggesting that an attack using aircraft was just months away and the terrorists were in place. The Bush administration, meanwhile, has sought to silence her and has obtained a gagging order from a court citing the rarely used "state secrets privelege."

http://www.sunray22b.net/images/Flyer%20Page%202.jpg


Listen to this (from the 5 minute mark at least):




She has written a book also:
Classified Woman - The Sibel Edmonds Story: A Memoir

And here is a quote from a review of the book that I liked very much because I agree with it, and is a direct answer to your own question also:

Somebody would have talked. Somebody would have blown the whistle. It would be impossible to conduct such an elaborate operation without somebody, somewhere in the government coming forth and exposing the criminals ... right?

Well here you have it. In your face. A real-life, 100% credible 9/11 whistleblower. One who has a story whose facts are not even challenged by the government in any real way because it is widely known that those facts can be verified by classified documents in the possession of the government. Instead, those terrified of Sibel Edmonds have waged a war to silence her, using the full power of the Executive Branch to do so, making her the most "classified woman" in American history. This campaign started shortly after 9/11 and is waged to this day as the FBI tries to suppress the publication of this very book, which tells us how important this book must be.

So now, the "someone would have talked" or "someone would have blown the whistle" argument won't work anymore because people did talk, many of them. They just get ignored by the mass and the media as "crazy" or "liars." And hopefully, we might encounter even more 9/11 whistleblowers over the coming years if the President of America allows them to be more free and open.

It just might be a matter of time that the government itself admits that the 9/11 was a false flag terror (although I don't have much confidence in that either).

Afterall, governments from around the world did admit that they carry out false flag terror. 9/11 could be next.



I appreciate that you took the time to write a lengthy and verbose explanation on this subject. But, with all due respect, none of that really convinced me to be honest. You might think that I'm an absolute dumbass for disagreeing with you, but I don't care. Simply put, I don't think that smoke and fire from a jet collision would cause an entire steel building to collapse so quickly into its own footprint; there was very probably explosive materials pre-planted inside the buildings that made them go down the way they did.

And besides the issue of thermite and everything else that you said in your post, the most glaring thing that points to a controlled demolition behind the 9/11 attack is how the WTC 7 collapsed. I mean, look at the way the whole building came down in a symmetrical fashion at an accelerating, free-falling speed (in less than 7 seconds) just like a building collapses under a controlled demolition. Do you seriously think that normal smoke and office fires could have done all that in less than seven seconds? But before you answer that question, please listen to the following as carefully as you can ...

[Rayaan]

On the issue of Susan Lindauer, do you care to comment on the fact that she has presented no hard evidence that she ever actually worked for the CIA,

Maybe she has no hard evidence for that, but that doesn't necessarily mean that there is no good reason to support her claim either, i.e. that she worked for the CIA.

Susan used to cover anti-terrorism at the Iraqi Embassy in New York from 1996 up to the invasion.

She also told some of her friends and other people about an attack on America that would occur at around August or September of 2001 and she also knew that the attack would involve the use of airplanes and explosives, which this is mentioned in many different websites, two of them which I already linked to in this post ... and all of this is more support for her claim that she did have CIA connections.


After she was finally allowed to stand in trial, it was confirmed by the witnesses present there that she was an intelligence asset and that she did warn people about 9/11.

Listen to this from 7:27 to 8:00:




In her book "Extreme Prejudice," she has revealed some of her discussions with her CIA-handler Richard Fuisz, many of the things which led her to resign from her position and then come out as a whistleblower, and she also talks about him in the videos that I saw. This matches with the allegation that Richard Fuisz has been a CIA asset long before September 11, and when he was asked about his relationship with the CIA, he said the following:

Between 1994 and 2001, Fuisz and anti-war Susan Lindauer met weekly to discuss her diplomatic contacts in the Middle East, specifically her work related to the lifting of U.S. sanctions against Libya and Iraq. When asked by the New York Times to comment on The Sunday Herald article and on his relationship to the CIA more generally, Fuisz remarked that "This is not an issue I can confirm or deny. I am not allowed to speak about these issues. In fact, I can't even explain why I can't speak about these issues." Fuisz's meetings with Lindauer ended abruptly on September 11, 2001, due to what Fuisz described as an increasingly "seditious bent" to their discussions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Fui...connection

Richard Fuisz being a CIA agent was also reported in a Sunday Herald newspaper in May of 2000 (as I quoted below).

It also acknowledges his connection with Susan Lindauer ... coincidence?

A FORMER CIA agent who claims Libya is not responsible for the Lockerbie bombing is being gagged by the US government under state secrecy laws and faces 10 years in prison if he reveals any information about the terrorist attack.

United Nations diplomats are outraged that the US government is apparently suppressing a potential key trial witness. Diplomats are now demanding that the CIA agent, Dr Richard Fuisz, be released from the gagging order. Fuisz, a multi-millionaire businessman and pharmaceutical researcher, was, according to US intelligence sources, the CIA's key operative in the Syrian capital Damascus during the 1980s where he also had business interests.

http://911review.org/Lindauer/LindauerPa...Herald.txt


I have already posted all this information in the other thread, but you didn't respond to that for some reason (hmmm I wonder why ). I re-posted them here since you asked me once again.

Good luck getting back to me this time.

and that twice she has been found not mentally fit to stand trial.

So do you have any "hard evidence" that she was mentally unfit to stand a trial? And if not, then what is your justification for that position?

And in what way exactly was she mentally unfit?

If a key witness to these supposed vans filled with explosives is actually a crazy person / liar, then it kinda puts a dent in your theory.

And that's an "IF" ... and you don't know if the "IF" is actually true. You didn't provide a good reasoning either.

Mpre importantly, as I wrote in my response to Creed, there is not only one whistleblower. There have been many and you just didn't know about them - see below:

http://www.corbettreport.com/meet-the-91...leblowers/

^ Are they ALL crazy and liars? And is the whistleblower Sibel Edmonds (see the post above) a crazy person also? I don't think so. They themselves know how much of a danger they are putting themselves in by blowing the whistle on the US government, and they know that many other whistleblowers have faced severe punishments and threats from high-level authorities and years and years of prison time ... yet here they are fighting and risking their own lives to expose the lies and corruption.


But hey, you learn something new everyday ...

[Rayaan]

Honestly, my biggest problem is the lack of whistleblowers (and of the one that exists, the lack of evidence she actually ever worked for the CIA). To believe any of the conspiracy, you have to belief that out of the thousands of people involved, either none of then have ever come forward with actual evidence they were involved, or they were all killed afterwards (and if that is the case, why haven't their families started asking questions?).

In an age where whistleblowing is becoming more popular, that just doesn't make much sense to me.

Read the two posts that I made right above this one.

[Brian37]

Honestly, my biggest problem is the lack of whistleblowers (and of the one that exists, the lack of evidence she actually ever worked for the CIA). To believe any of the conspiracy, you have to belief that out of the thousands of people involved, either none of then have ever come forward with actual evidence they were involved, or they were all killed afterwards (and if that is the case, why haven't their families started asking questions?).

In an age where whistleblowing is becoming more popular, that just doesn't make much sense to me.

Read the two posts that I made right above this one.

Claim that unicorns planted bombs in the towers, we don't give a fuck. 9/11 was the product of 19 hijackers and Bin Laden, no one else. Otherwise you might as well claim that Obama was responsible for JFK'S death, and the extinction of dinos. Take your tin foil hat off, you are making yourself look like a complete joke.

[Chas]

No, I don't believe 'UFO sightings' is a conspiracy. Where do you get that?

So, you believe that people claiming to see UFOs and aliens are actually telling the truth? You think that UFOs are real?

You either believe UFOs are (a) real or (b) fake/deception/lies, which is what I meant by "conspiracy".

Maybe you just didn't understand the context of my sentence, but I hope it's clear now.

No, it's (c.) People are mistaken and misinterpret what they see.

I think you are motivated to discount that 9/11 was a religio-political motivated attack. The evidence is all there, but you don't want it to be true.

Not really, because as I said before (on the second page of this thread):

I used to believe that the 9/11 attacks were orchestrated by some Muslims extremists/terrorists as well (for the first 10 years after the 9/11) and that didn't really affect my perception of Muslims in general nor about Islam because I know for a fact that such an action is not supported by our religion at all. However, it was only after I started to research on this subject about 2 years ago that I began to realize that a lot of things about the 9/11 suggest that it was actually an inside job. I don't claim to know that for sure, but the conspiracy theory makes a lot more sense to me.

That's all.

The conspiracy theory makes little or no sense; it is unsupportable.
The fact that you are a theist demonstrates that you are delusion prone.

[Mister Agenda]

What's always puzzled me about the conspiracy-version of 9/11 is that the CIA or whoever was supposedly smart enough to blow up a building at the same time planes were being flown to it without anyone noticing the building was being rigged for demoliiton for the purpose of egging us into war with Afghanistan and Iraq and also dumb enough not to make any of the hijackers Afghanis or Iraqis.

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The conspiracy theory makes little or no sense; it is unsupportable.
The fact that you are a theist demonstrates that you are delusion prone.

Sadly, it's not just a theist thing.

[Rayaan]

Claim that unicorns planted bombs in the towers, we don't give a fuck. 9/11 was the product of 19 hijackers and Bin Laden, no one else. Otherwise you might as well claim that Obama was responsible for JFK'S death, and the extinction of dinos. Take your tin foil hat off, you are making yourself look like a complete joke.

I'm afraid I can't really help you much if you weren't even pay attention. Oh well ...

No, it's (c.) People are mistaken and misinterpret what they see.

Okay, but regardless, I'm pretty sure that there are certain conspiracy theories that you believe in, such as conspiracies made by certain religious people, don't you?

conspiracy: "an agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act."

The conspiracy theory makes little or no sense; it is unsupportable.

But I have shown the contrary. I have supported almost everything that I said on this topic, and most of the things were not refuted by any of you.

The fact that you are a theist demonstrates that you are delusion prone.

Me being a theist doesn't have anything to do with this subject. Also, most Muslims that I've talked to do not believe that 9/11 was an inside job. How about that?

It is just learning and research that made me come to the conclusion that 9/11 was most likely an inside job. That's all.

What's always puzzled me about the conspiracy-version of 9/11 is that the CIA or whoever was supposedly smart enough to blow up a building at the same time planes were being flown to it without anyone noticing the building was being rigged for demoliiton for the purpose of egging us into war with Afghanistan and Iraq and also dumb enough not to make any of the hijackers Afghanis or Iraqis.

Having Arabic names was good enough to do the trick, and then tying them up with Al-Qaeda, Taliban, Osama bin Laden, and/or whoever America's target was.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Proud to say I'm a demolition denier.

[Rayaan]

Proud to say I'm a demolition denier.

Better to be proud than to be ungrateful, though of course that doesn't mean that you are right in being a demolition denier.

[Mister Agenda]

What's always puzzled me about the conspiracy-version of 9/11 is that the CIA or whoever was supposedly smart enough to blow up a building at the same time planes were being flown to it without anyone noticing the building was being rigged for demoliiton for the purpose of egging us into war with Afghanistan and Iraq and also dumb enough not to make any of the hijackers Afghanis or Iraqis.

Having Arabic names was good enough to do the trick, and then tying them up with Al-Qaeda, Taliban, Osama bin Laden, and/or whoever America's target was.

CIA Guy One: Hey, shouldn't we make at least some of the hijackers Afghanis and Iraqis, since that's who we're drumming up war against?

CIA Guy Two: Nah, save all your attention to detail for blowing up the buildings, whatevs will work for the hijackers.