Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing?

[Mystical]

Eh there's witch doctors today who do crazy things like eat body parts. Someone brought up that albino's were highly coveted for their "magical powers" and thus are killed quite often. There is indeed a magic trade in effect right now--people buying services from one witch doctor for something, or for protection from spells cast from another. It's sad, pathetic, and yes babies get eaten.

Doesn't help having outside influences enter SUPPORTING the delusion even further by offering their own brand of imaginary protection and spiritual warfare. They bolster the belief systems by claiming that theY know what is going on and that theY know how to deal with it. They're just glorified con artists, and I don't care if you believe the shit you spew or not: at the point where you see the damage you do, you should stop.

[Cinjin]

... it's easier to just distance yourself and let the problem go on, covered all the while by your persistent No True Scotsman fallacy.

I have found this is a nice little badge to keep around when the No True Scotsman argument rears its ugly head:

[Esquilax]

Cinjin, I am keeping that shit on standby from now on.

[Godscreated]

Educate them, it would be like trying to educate atheist, they care nothing for God or what He teaches, they are out for themselves and nothing more. All we can do is try to expose them for the danger they are, like I said it wouldn't happen here and if it did the Christian church would be the first to condemn them and support their prosecution.

GC

What a complete cop out: you know nothing of these people and what they believe, even when some of them work under the auspices of your church, but that nonexistent level of knowledge has made you feel safe enough to assume that there's nothing you can do. Just admit it: it's just not something you want to deal with, because it's easier to just distance yourself and let the problem go on, covered all the while by your persistent No True Scotsman fallacy.

This is why I put you on ignore you're an unreasonable whiny person, I ask you to bring a good solution and what did you say educate them as if you knew exactly who thee people are. Yet when I gave you an answer to that you just say "cop out," now that's what I call real responsible conversation. The comes the NTS another thing you throw out because you can prove nothing. I would put you on ignore again but for some reason you have special privilages, this will be my last response to you.

[Lemonvariable72]

... it's easier to just distance yourself and let the problem go on, covered all the while by your persistent No True Scotsman fallacy.

I have found this is a nice little badge to keep around when the No True Scotsman argument rears its ugly head:

Stealing that for my avatar

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What a complete cop out: you know nothing of these people and what they believe, even when some of them work under the auspices of your church, but that nonexistent level of knowledge has made you feel safe enough to assume that there's nothing you can do. Just admit it: it's just not something you want to deal with, because it's easier to just distance yourself and let the problem go on, covered all the while by your persistent No True Scotsman fallacy.

This is why I put you on ignore you're an unreasonable whiny person, I ask you to bring a good solution and what did you say educate them as if you knew exactly who thee people are. Yet when I gave you an answer to that you just say "cop out," now that's what I call real responsible conversation. The comes the NTS another thing you throw out because you can prove nothing. I would put you on ignore again but for some reason you have special privilages, this will be my last response to you.

Hi pot, meet kettle.

[Godscreated]

No, you're the one implying they are delusional. I'm saying there are those who purposely us the scriptures to their own benefit and couldn't care less about believing in God.

Clearly you know much more about the holiness of The Bible than I. Please teach me so that I may recognize what it is to be Holy.

How can I know that these people are purposely using the scriptures to their own benefit?

How can I discern that they are not being genuine in their interpretation of the text?

For if they benefit from this translation in someway, wouldn't that further cement the value they place on that interpretation?

It seems they could both genuinely interpret it this way while feeling Holy. All the while benefiting from their mistaken relationship with God. This seems to be symbiotic.

Tell me what this single standard upon which all that is Holy rests so that I don't make the same mistake as them.

I'm sure that many know more and greater truths from the scriptures however people that kill children for being witches are not some of those people, they do not look at the whole of scripture as God teaches it, if they did they would understand that the greatest power they have is prayer.

I'm sorry, but again, how do you know that your interpretation is correct? Teach me so that I may know.

Enlighten me on how it is that I may discover the same truths that you so clearly understand. What does it mean to be holy? How can I be sure that I am praying right? These people must clearly be doing it wrong, and without your knowledge, I will be subject to making the same mistake. Perhaps if you tell me exactly how I can recognize the quality of being holy, I can avoid misdirecting my prayers.

The one I see as delusional is you, and that does come from scripture.

Clearly. Excuse my ignorance and share with me your knowledge.

I'll meet you half way, please bring your Bible, I can show you every answer you just asked for, but not on here, if you're really interested you'll take me up on this.

GC

[Ryantology]

I'll meet you half way, please bring your Bible, I can show you every answer you just asked for, but not on here, if you're really interested you'll take me up on this.

GC

Making an offer you know a person won't accept is basically admitting that you're full of shit. If you can't do it online, you can't do it.

Gotta love the assumption that an atheist owns a Bible, by the way. It's that sort of arrogance you can only get from a Christian.

[Doubting Thomas]

I am an atheist who owns a bible, but only because I was raised Catholic. If I'd been born an atheist I doubt I'd own a bible. There are far better works of fiction which I'd rather have in my library.

[Esquilax]

This is why I put you on ignore you're an unreasonable whiny person, I ask you to bring a good solution and what did you say educate them as if you knew exactly who thee people are. Yet when I gave you an answer to that you just say "cop out," now that's what I call real responsible conversation. The comes the NTS another thing you throw out because you can prove nothing. I would put you on ignore again but for some reason you have special privilages, this will be my last response to you.

Except that you didn't give an answer; instead, you claimed to know that, instead of the stated purposes of these people- the only thing we actually do know about them- they in fact aren't really christians at all (something you couldn't possibly know) and then presented that as the end of the conversation. Essentially, your response to my admonishing you for simply spewing No True Scotsman fallacies everywhere and having that be the extent of your contribution to this issue of real human suffering, was to add yet another No True Scotsman, and call it a day.

Your answer to the question of "why aren't you guys doing more to dissuade these christians from their belief that they can find real witches to kill, beyond just saying they aren't really christians?" was "They aren't really christians."

Oh, and these aren't special privileges, they're mod powers, given to me because I'd earned the respect of the other mods, not all of whom are atheists, to forestall your next trad bout of whiny persecution. See, at least one of us needs to be capable of attracting respect with our argumentation, GC.

[Lion IRC]

Since when is capital punishment an atheist cause?

There are no "atheist causes" that I'm aware of.

Is it just biblical capital punishment which bothers atheists?

Atheists don't subscribe to a list of specific tenets. You've been here longer than I have,so it should be clear to you by now how very different atheists are from one another aside from lacking belief.

Atheists are very different you say?
Great!
I shall here and wait till one happens along who thinks its OK for the Old Testament Israelites to run their society according to the moral code in question.

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They had a very strict punishment for homosexual sex (technically adultery).
And no matter how hard I look, I can't find any homosexuals actually being stoned to death under Mosaic Law.

Deterrence - much better than having to deal with the aftermath of immorality/evil/crime/sin.