Islam IS the true religion of humanity.

[KichigaiNeko]

You're not long for this world

[Esquilax]

Yeah I can clear that up for you. What is an atheist? Let's hypothetically assume there is a God. An atheist is that individual which denies the Greatest of all time. If the Greatest of All Time created everything including the atheist and the atheist flat out denies that God then speaking from a sense of religion you should be able to see that it would make sense for God to abandon the individual as well. That creation is completely astray. It's one to thing to follow a wrong religion it's another to deny Him completely.

Okay, so first of all, that's not what atheism is. Atheism is disbelief in god claims, not denial of god; if he shows up, if evidence appears for one, we'll believe it. Speaking of which...

Religious thought in Islam is completely logical. I challenge you to show me otherwise.

This is not how the burden of proof works. We don't have to prove you wrong before you're rationally unjustified in believing what you do. You need to show us why islam is a logical religion.

Go ahead, see how long that stands up to the scrutiny here. If your religion is logical and supported by evidence, then that'll be enough to convert us to it on the spot. Give it a go, you may, in fact, be the one!

[Minimalist]

Sleepy

I'm guessing that Sneezy, Bashful and Dopey are bringing up the rear.

[Zazzy]

I'm simply gonna tell you to abandon negative preconceptions regardless of religion and make yourself a better human being.

Yeah, Kichi- Sleepy has you pegged- it's AMAZING how s/he can tell what a bad person you are from this one post! Plus, I suspect you of using witchcraft to make your garden so nice. Stones, please. Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live and all that.

[FallentoReason]

Yeah I can clear that up for you. What is an atheist? Let's hypothetically assume there is a God. An atheist is that individual which denies the Greatest of all time. If the Greatest of All Time created everything including the atheist and the atheist flat out denies that God then speaking from a sense of religion you should be able to see that it would make sense for God to abandon the individual as well. That creation is completely astray. It's one to thing to follow a wrong religion it's another to deny Him completely.

So when you said people who aren't Muslims can also go to heaven, what do you mean exactly? An atheist is someone who isn't a Muslim, so by your logic they can potentially go to heaven as well. Unless there's other conditions you haven't explicitly expressed.

Religious thought in Islam is completely logical. I challenge you to show me otherwise.

I must confess that I hardly know anything about Islam. I've never held a Qu'ran in my hands. My background is Pentecostal Christianity, so I can't really challenge you, unless we move to pure philosophy of God instead of just Islam.

[Minimalist]

Religious thought in Islam is completely logical.

So an illiterate old man who likes to screw 9 year olds falls asleep in a cave and has a dream that some fucking angel tells him a story and then recounts the story word-for-word to some other guy who can write?

Yeah....reeks of logic.

[Sleepy]

Yeah I can clear that up for you. What is an atheist? Let's hypothetically assume there is a God. An atheist is that individual which denies the Greatest of all time. If the Greatest of All Time created everything including the atheist and the atheist flat out denies that God then speaking from a sense of religion you should be able to see that it would make sense for God to abandon the individual as well. That creation is completely astray. It's one to thing to follow a wrong religion it's another to deny Him completely.

Okay, so first of all, that's not what atheism is. Atheism is disbelief in god claims, not denial of god; if he shows up, if evidence appears for one, we'll believe it. Speaking of which...

Religious thought in Islam is completely logical. I challenge you to show me otherwise.

This is not how the burden of proof works. We don't have to prove you wrong before you're rationally unjustified in believing what you do. You need to show us why islam is a logical religion.

Go ahead, see how long that stands up to the scrutiny here. If your religion is logical and supported by evidence, then that'll be enough to convert us to it on the spot. Give it a go, you may, in fact, be the one!

Atheism is a denial of God. It's a lack of faith there is a God. Atheists have flat out told me God does not exist, they don't say. I'm waiting to see if he does. They ' know' He does not.


The logic of Islam is obviously not empirical as in pop in your eyes any time. Though it can be empirical if you have ever heard of Jinn..


God is One. If there has to be a God there can only be One God as the idea of a God is that He is the Greatest and above all. Meaning no mini gods like in hinduism and other various religions.

Judaism- One God, don't believe in Jesus
Christians- One God, believe God is a man and Jesus
Islam- Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Noah among 124,000 Prophets that One God sent to this Earth to spread His word of how to live this life.
Seeking knowledge. Wisdom. Morals. Virtues.


The Prophet (S.A.W.), says: “Allah opens the path of Paradise to one who takes a step on the path of acquisition of knowledge”.

The Prophet (S.A.W.), says: “One who wishes to see those who are safe from the Fire of Hell should look at the seekers of knowledge”.

Imam Ja’far Sadiq, (A.S.), says: “A person who learns a tradition for worldly gains does not benefit from it in the Hereafter,and if he learns it for his betterment in the next world, Allah blesses him in this world as well as in the Hereafter”.

Imam Ja’far Sadiq, (A.S.), says: “Your teacher enjoys the right over you that you should honour him and pay him respect in different assemblies. You should be very attentive to his words. You should not raise your voice above his. If anybody asks him a question you should not give a reply thereto. You should not converse with others in his presence and you should allow the people to benefit from his knowledge. You should not speak ill of anyone before him. If anybody speaks ill of him in your presence you should defend him. You should conceal his shortcomings and bring his virtues to light. You should not associate with his enemies and should not dispute with his friends. If you act on these lines the angels of Allah will testify that you have paid attention to him and have acquired knowledge for the sake of Allah and not to attract the attention of the people. And the right of your pupils on you is that you should realize that in granting you knowledge and opening its path for you, Allah has appointed you to be their guardian. In case, therefore you teach them properly and do not frighten them and are not furious with them Allah will, through His kindness, increase your knowledge. But if you drive the people away from knowledge and as and when they approach you for it you frighten them and get annoyed with them it will be only appropriate that Almighty Allah may take away the light of knowledge from you and may degrade you in the eyes of the people”.


Knowledge. Wisdom. Truth. Justice. Honesty. Respect. Among other various morals, and virtues.

love of knowledge is absent in every world religion besides Islam.

Do you want to be among those who seek knowledge or do not??

In Islam if someone attacks you ONLY than you can act in self defense.

"Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors."
Quran 2 190

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Religious thought in Islam is completely logical.

So an illiterate old man who likes to screw 9 year olds falls asleep in a cave and has a dream that some fucking angel tells him a story and then recounts the story word-for-word to some other guy who can write?

Yeah....reeks of logic.

He was not illiterate. That's a lie believed by Sunnis.
Many say his wife Aisha was 19 but if she was 9, girls at that married at that age. They had different roles within society. They did not act like young kids or had the benefit of being a kid until they were 17-18

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Yeah I can clear that up for you. What is an atheist? Let's hypothetically assume there is a God. An atheist is that individual which denies the Greatest of all time. If the Greatest of All Time created everything including the atheist and the atheist flat out denies that God then speaking from a sense of religion you should be able to see that it would make sense for God to abandon the individual as well. That creation is completely astray. It's one to thing to follow a wrong religion it's another to deny Him completely.

So when you said people who aren't Muslims can also go to heaven, what do you mean exactly? An atheist is someone who isn't a Muslim, so by your logic they can potentially go to heaven as well. Unless there's other conditions you haven't explicitly expressed.

Religious thought in Islam is completely logical. I challenge you to show me otherwise.

I must confess that I hardly know anything about Islam. I've never held a Qu'ran in my hands. My background is Pentecostal Christianity, so I can't really challenge you, unless we move to pure philosophy of God instead of just Islam.

You have to have a belief in God. Can I set completely absolutes on to who God will allow into heaven? No. God knows the heart of every individual. If there is an atheist who knows nothing of Islam and has a lived a extremely moral and virtuous life will he able to go to heaven? Who knows because if you think about God in a matter of pure philosophy, the Creator put the creation on this planet to worship Him.


The concept of God in Islam is truly the pure essence of philosophy of God. Everything else is against the purest Philosophy of God. In Christianity, God has limits. Jesus has to eat, sleep, poop. God knows no slumber. He has no needs.

[FallentoReason]

You have to have a belief in God.

Right, so is this one of those cases where it's believed that there's many paths to heaven? Even if you believe in the wrong god your entire life?

Can I set completely absolutes on to who God will allow into heaven? No. God knows the heart of every individual. If there is an atheist who knows nothing of Islam and has a lived a extremely moral and virtuous life will he able to go to heaven? Who knows because if you think about God in a matter of pure philosophy, the Creator put the creation on this planet to worship Him.

Why would worship be more important than living a good moral life? That's what you're saying, that what God considers most important (and thus worthy of the reward of heaven) is worship and *not* living a good moral life. This line of thought brings out the classic horrid scenarios where we could have a murdering rapist confess that Allah is the one true god, and thus he goes to heaven, but a perfectly moral atheist goes to hell for never partaking in an amoral action; worshipping God.

Is this logical to you?

The concept of God in Islam is truly the pure essence of philosophy of God. Everything else is against the purest Philosophy of God. In Christianity, God has limits. Jesus has to eat, sleep, poop. God knows no slumber. He has no needs.

Does the Qu'ran say God is all powerful, all knowing and all loving?

[Sleepy]

You have to have a belief in God.

Right, so is this one of those cases where it's believed that there's many paths to heaven? Even if you believe in the wrong god your entire life?

Can I set completely absolutes on to who God will allow into heaven? No. God knows the heart of every individual. If there is an atheist who knows nothing of Islam and has a lived a extremely moral and virtuous life will he able to go to heaven? Who knows because if you think about God in a matter of pure philosophy, the Creator put the creation on this planet to worship Him.

Why would worship be more important than living a good moral life? That's what you're saying, that what God considers most important (and thus worthy of the reward of heaven) is worship and *not* living a good moral life. This line of thought brings out the classic horrid scenarios where we could have a murdering rapist confess that Allah is the one true god, and thus he goes to heaven, but a perfectly moral atheist goes to hell for never partaking in an amoral action; worshipping God.

Is this logical to you?

The concept of God in Islam is truly the pure essence of philosophy of God. Everything else is against the purest Philosophy of God. In Christianity, God has limits. Jesus has to eat, sleep, poop. God knows no slumber. He has no needs.

Does the Qu'ran say God is all powerful, all knowing and all loving?

If you believe in God and you are truly a good, sincere person then you will go to heaven. If you're a hypocrite, just a bad person even if you are a Muslim you will not go to heaven.

There are Muslims who pray 5 times a day but are horrible people. They are not going to heaven if they are truly evil people. such as al qaeda and taliban. Worship is different from believing in God. I don't pray 5 times a day but I do believe He. What you said about a murdering rapist going to heaven is not within Islam. That's within baptism who believe in faith only. That is against Islam.


There are 99 names of Allah within the Quran. You can see the full list if you google it, I'm showing you a few.

There are actually more than 99 that are hidden from us. Because philosophically we don't know everything about God. You see what I'm saying?

Al- Muqtadir ( The Powerful )
Al- Basir ( The All-Seeing)
Al- Alim ( The All Knowing )
Al- Mutakabbir ( Supreme in Greatness, The Majestic )
Ar- Rahim ( The Merciful )
Ar Rahman ( The Most Compassionate )
AL WADUD ( THE LOVING ONE )

I truly get a feeling I can't explain when I read His names, and when I say them. There's no religion in comparison.
God is the Greatest and He has no limits. Jesus was His messenger.

[popeyespappy]

If all you say about Allah is is true I can't help but wonder we he chose that goat fucking pedophile Mohammad as his final prophet all those many years ago?