The question that makes fundies hostile

[rexbeccarox]

This thread... I... I just don't even know...

How are atheists the immoral ones again?

[Optimistic Mysanthrope]

If someone is a slave, they don't have a rightful wage and so their owner cannot withhold said wage. No theft.

[Lion IRC]

This thread... I... I just don't even know...

How are atheists the immoral ones again?

Nobody is saying atheists are immoral just because stronger, greedier humans exert their dominance and superiority over weaker members of the same species in accordance with Darwinian natural selection. What I would like to know from one of Nietzsche's fellow, enlightened, rational, advanced intelect, atheist Übermensch...is why that is objectively wrong.

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The bible say the meek shall inherit the earth.

[Drich]

Wow -- I present a choice of same-sex marriage or slavery and I get a response of "please define slavery."

Some of you fundies make Joseph McCarthy look like Jimi Hendrix.

And this, folks, is what they call "family values." Seriously -- they really do use that term.

I think I will present another one just for Drich.

OK, Drich, given the choice between a society in which slavey is an established institution, and a society in which slavery is illegal, which would you prefer?

Define slavery.


Because truthfully, all societies depends on one form of slavery or another. It's just been relabeled/redefined so that the self righteous will not feel guilty buying slave made products in/on Black Friday. Since I likes my $200.00 55" 3-d smart tv, my tablet, and other cheap mod cons. I will pick the society that pretends it does not tolerate slavery, but really supports it. How can my self deluded society do this?because the slaves in Question are not black, bare foot and picking cotton tobacco or some other 'cash crop' on Georgia plantation.

I like this idea of a society Because defines slaves very narrowly, and allows self righteous douche bags like myself to ignore the fact that my country, or rather the whole of western society still benefits from slavery, but because again these slaves do not fit a very specific stereotype, they are over looked or all together reclassified.

So again, if your confused. I want to live in a society that only pretends to be intolerant of slavery, but have it's very existence completely depends on it, so I can be a self righteous douche bag and pretend that my life would not completely stop if not for the slave laborers I need to survive. Then what's more if I am feeling extra douchie I will want to also retain the right criticize someone who wants to challenge this practice of burying our collective heads in the sand about modern day slavery, when he says he wants to take the blinders off and call a spade/slave a slave.
Meaning If this guy wants to say hey, what are we doing? How can we say we hate slavery, and Dedicate a whole day of the year to buying insanely cheap slave made products? That these actions not only facilitate slavery they force the consumer goods industry to close up shops in fair trade countries and to open up shops in slave trade countries.. That if this society took the responsibility, of identifying and accepting the slave trade for what it truly is, that those forced into working a slave wage factories, would receive better treatment. I want to reserve the right to call such a person who points to my own hypocrisy a bigot, so I can dismiss what this guys says without having to actually address any of his content.

Oh, wait a tick! I have some how reversed the roles. I'm the guy who want to embrace the term and relable slavery where ever it is in the world and in what ever form it takes so that it can be regulated. So that slave owners be made to care for and take responsibility for the human lives entrusted to him, and your the douche who wants to pretend slavery does not exist so that modern day slavers get to do what they do outside the scrutiny of the world's view so you can have your door buster deals.

[rexbeccarox]

This thread... I... I just don't even know...

How are atheists the immoral ones again?

Nobody is saying atheists are immoral just because stronger, greedier humans exert their dominance and superiority over weaker members of the same species in accordance with Darwinian natural selection. What I would like to know from one of Nietzsche's fellow, enlightened, rational, advanced intelect, atheist Übermensch...is why that is objectively wrong.

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The bible say the meek shall inherit the earth.

I'm sorry... what?

[Lion IRC]

If someone is a slave, they don't have a rightful wage and so their owner cannot withhold said wage. No theft.

Not theft you say?
Mined if I quote you?

[MindForgedManacle]

Not a hard choice to make. God set up a soceity that allowed for slavery, and condemned homosexuality. Therefore slavery is not as bad as homosexuality. The fact that soceity says that your intolerance should be reversed only speaks to declining 'morality' in soceity.

Drich, where in the Hebrew Bible does God condemn homosexual marriage? I ask you, because you're full of shit. Do you stone to death homosexual men who have had sex with one another? If not, you're a disingenuous motherfucker. If so, you're a horrific motherfucker. An interesting dilemma that's your irrationality put you on.
And your contempt for moral progress is rather stunning hypocritical. Clearly God didn't set up the perfect society with the Israelities, so trying to use that as an argument is the worst kind of cherry-picking.

Whether that makes me a slave, slave owner or none of the above if we were forced to pick one of the two societies I will pick slavery.

And this is the thing that boggles my mind. You choose owning other people as expendable property as being morally superior (and in fact morally honorable) over some guys anally pounding each other (I know you love that detail Drich) or two gals scissoring? And the fact that you above tried to pettyfog this by asking 'what do you mean by slavery?' shows that you are disingenuous even on basic questions.
Way to sacrifice any semblance of decency. This is the sort of thing that actually puts more people from the faith: nonsensical ideas held purely from a more primitive past that are held to simply because they're in a book. If that book told you to kill unbelieving family members, you'd think it would be moral to do... oh wait, it does. I hope no kids of your become an atheist or non-Christian...

[Drich]

Drich, where in the Hebrew Bible does God condemn homosexual marriage? I ask you, because you're full of shit. Do you stone to death homosexual men who have had sex with one another?

you seem to be struggling with basic logic here, so allow me to help you. If the 'Hebrew bible' commands that homosexuals be put to death, then it stands to reason that they are not to be married.

If not, you're a disingenuous motherfucker. If so, you're a horrific motherfucker. An interesting dilemma that's your irrationality put you on.
And your contempt for moral progress is rather stunning hypocritical. Clearly God didn't set up the perfect society with the Israelities, so trying to use that as an argument is the worst kind of cherry-picking.

you do know I am not an 'Israelite' right? If so then i seem to have stumbled upon another basic failure in your ability to reason. For in the above statement you've identified the stoning to death of a gay man under the OT law as being uniquely 'Hebrew.' as the command comes from the 'Hebrew bible.' If you know I am not an OT Jew then why would this command make me a hypocrite in your best estimation? Or do you not understand the bible represents two separate religions separated by what is known as the Old Testament and the New Testament?

And this is the thing that boggles my mind. You choose owning other people as expendable property as being morally superior (and in fact morally honorable) over some guys anally pounding each other (I know you love that detail Drich) or two gals scissoring? And the fact that you above tried to pettyfog this by asking 'what do you mean by slavery?' shows that you are disingenuous even on basic questions.
Way to sacrifice any semblance of decency. This is the sort of thing that actually puts more people from the faith:

thats the idea. This life is about making a choice, whether you want to be with God or eternally separated from Him. Whether you choose for or against is not my concern, because God saw fit to allow you to freely choose what you want for yourself. I am not here to force my choice onto you or anyone else. My job is to provide accurate info and allow you to choose for yourself.
If you choose against God the. Know the purpose of your life has been successfully completed, and you may confidently know what choice you made here and now will echo throughout eternity.

nonsensical ideas held purely from a more primitive past that are held to simply because they're in a book. If that book told you to kill unbelieving family members, you'd think it would be moral to do... oh wait, it does. I hope no kids of your become an atheist or non-Christian...

There is a series of beating that are allowed before death is mandatory. If the beatings are done right then death can be averted in most cases.

[Ben Davis]

Define slavery.

OK, since there seems to be some doubt, I'm going to make the definition explicit: Slavery is the ownership of human beings as property.

My claim is that slavery is immoral because it removes the the fundamental human right to self-determination.

That point alone removes the necessity for discussing 'what type' of slavery may be preferable to/better/worse than another because they are all predicated on the same basic abuse of human rights: the ownership of human beings as property.

There's no wheedling out of this one Drich, it's wrong and your god mandated its practice.

There is a series of beating that are allowed before death is mandatory. If the beatings are done right then death can be averted in most cases

Corporal punishment? For not sharing your beliefs? Drich, that's demonstrably psychologically damaging for the children. Fortunately that's a different thread or I'd take you to task about that one, too.

[Raven]

Drippy, you are a VERY sick man. Essentially where you are coming from is any thing whatever, no matter how monstrous, is righteous provided my invisible sky daddy said it is.

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