The attempts of the atheists are only grotesque

[Zazzy]

He changed his avatar. That is sad.

[TaraJo]

What you just wrote doesn't make any sense. Would you believe in my dream that I saw that night if I did not provide you any evidence of my dream. Same goes with religious stuff

Once again, you don't seem to understand the difference between objects, people and actual physical things and concepts or ideas.

But, then, if what you're saying is that God is nothing more than a concept or an idea, I have to admit, I haven't seen any evidence that says otherwise.

[DOS]

What you just wrote doesn't make any sense. Would you believe in my dream that I saw that night if I did not provide you any evidence of my dream. Same goes with religious stuff

Once again, you don't seem to understand the difference between objects, people and actual physical things and concepts or ideas.

But, then, if what you're saying is that God is nothing more than a concept or an idea, I have to admit, I haven't seen any evidence that says otherwise.

The concepts and ideas make the things happen - cars, future journeys to the stars and stuff like that. What do you sniff?

[Cyberman]

The concepts and ideas make the things happen - cars, future journeys to the stars and stuff like that.

Not by themselves, they don't.

[DOS]

The concepts and ideas make the things happen - cars, future journeys to the stars and stuff like that.

Not by themselves, they don't.

Play of words.

[TaraJo]

Once again, you don't seem to understand the difference between objects, people and actual physical things and concepts or ideas.

But, then, if what you're saying is that God is nothing more than a concept or an idea, I have to admit, I haven't seen any evidence that says otherwise.

The concepts and ideas make the things happen - cars, future journeys to the stars and stuff like that.

You're right. The concept of Gawd does make things happen. For example, it made countless wars happen. The concept of science built cars and got us to the stars.

Also, you've kinda admitted that God isn't anything more than a thought or a concept or idea. Sound about right?

[Simon Moon]

Would you believe in my dream that I saw that night if I did not provide you any evidence of my dream. Same goes with religious stuff

Not the same thing as religious stuff at all.

If you told me you had a dream, and described it, I'd have no reason to doubt you. I wouldn't require a shred of evidence to accept that you had a dream.

Everyone has dreams. While not completely understood, they are explainable. There is known brain chemistry and brain states that associated with dreams that have been observed. Dreams are mundane occurrences, natural occurrences.

Alleged religious experiences are supposedly not mundane, not everyone has them and they are claimed to be supernatural.

If you told me that you had a supernatural religious experience, I'd have every reason to doubt your claim. Since it is not a mundane, natural occurrence, I'd require plenty of demonstrable, verifiable, repeatable evidence to support your claim.

Let's try this example of the difference in claims:

If I told you that I had a Coke and a burger for lunch, you'd probably believe me without the need for supporting evidence.

If I told you that I had a Coke and a burger for lunch in an alien spaceship in orbit around Earth, you'd expect me to provide massive amounts of evidence to support my story before you'd believe me.

See? Even you understand the difference between mundane claims and extraordinary claims, and the evidence needed to believe either.

[DOS]

The concepts and ideas make the things happen - cars, future journeys to the stars and stuff like that.

You're right. The concept of Gawd does make things happen. For example, it made countless wars happen. The concept of science built cars and got us to the stars.

Also, you've kinda admitted that God isn't anything more than a thought or a concept or idea. Sound about right?

It is a man with concepts and ideas make the wars happen.
Some have a wooden statue being their God according to their thoughts, concepts and ideas.

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Would you believe in my dream that I saw that night if I did not provide you any evidence of my dream. Same goes with religious stuff

Not the same thing as religious stuff at all.

If you told me you had a dream, and described it, I'd have no reason to doubt you. I wouldn't require a shred of evidence to accept that you had a dream.

Everyone has dreams. While not completely understood, they are explainable. There is known brain chemistry and brain states that associated with dreams that have been observed. Dreams are mundane occurrences, natural occurrences.

Alleged religious experiences are supposedly not mundane, not everyone has them and they are claimed to be supernatural.

If you told me that you had a supernatural religious experience, I'd have every reason to doubt your claim. Since it is not a mundane, natural occurrence, I'd require plenty of demonstrable, verifiable, repeatable evidence to support your claim.

Let's try this example of the difference in claims:

If I told you that I had a Coke and a burger for lunch, you'd probably believe me without the need for supporting evidence.

If I told you that I had a Coke and a burger for lunch in an alien spaceship in orbit around Earth, you'd expect me to provide massive amounts of evidence to support my story before you'd believe me.

See? Even you understand the difference between mundane claims and extraordinary claims, and the evidence needed to believe either.

Well, granted that it was only a dream, yet the sensation of the love of those innocent and beautiful people has remained with me for ever, and I feel as though their love is still flowing out to me from over there. I have seen them myself, have known them and been convinced; I loved them, I suffered for them afterwards. Oh, I understood at once even at the time that in many things I could not understand them at all ... But I soon realised that their knowledge was gained and fostered by intuitions different from those of us on earth, and that their aspirations, too, were quite different. They desired nothing and were at peace; they did not aspire to knowledge of life as we aspire to understand it, because their lives were full. But their knowledge was higher and deeper than ours; for our science seeks to explain what life is, aspires to understand it in order to teach others how to love, while they without science knew how to live; and that I understood, but I could not understand their knowledge.

"The Dream of a Ridiculous Man" by Feodor Dostoevsky

Would you ask Dostoesvky to provide massive amounts of evidence to support his dream has had actually taken place?

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See ya

[Angrboda]

Hurr durr.

[TaraJo]

You're right. The concept of Gawd does make things happen. For example, it made countless wars happen. The concept of science built cars and got us to the stars.

Also, you've kinda admitted that God isn't anything more than a thought or a concept or idea. Sound about right?

It is a man with concepts and ideas make the wars happen.
Some have a wooden statue being their God according to their thoughts, concepts and ideas.

So, when something bad is happening, it's all the man doing it, but when something good happens, it's the concept or idea that's responsible. Does that about sum up your stand?

Me, I don't buy it. If god is responsible for the good things men do, god also has to be responsible for the bad things men do. If god isn't responsible for the bad, he can't be responsible for the good, either. You can't have your cake and eat it, too.