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RE: Where is heaven?
January 3, 2014 at 11:09 am
(January 2, 2014 at 6:42 pm)LastPoet Wrote: It's on the theists imagination. Kind of like the enterprise is on the imagination of trekkies.
Hey now, there is a USS enterprise.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: Where is heaven?
January 3, 2014 at 12:12 pm
Actually to answer the op, there is no separate word for sky in koine Greek, the word they use for heaven is the same as what they us for sky, much like what we do in English sometimes when we take poetic license
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: Where is heaven?
January 3, 2014 at 1:24 pm
It has to be in the clouds as stated in the gospels about jesus' ascension and it has to be available to whirlwinds as at least a couple of prophets were reported to have used this method to arrive in heaven.
Furthermore it must be accessible to flying birds if I remember correctly.
But theists don't let little things such as their god's mansion not existing in the clouds to deter them, after all, they like to bank on obscure philosophy knots to alleviate any doubt, and evidence just isn't important to them.
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RE: Where is heaven?
January 3, 2014 at 2:22 pm
Heaven is not a place. Heaven is a state of existing in relation to the Lord. Luke 17:21
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RE: Where is heaven?
January 3, 2014 at 2:38 pm
Have your lord get back to me when he can make his book more clear, then.
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RE: Where is heaven?
January 3, 2014 at 3:04 pm
(January 3, 2014 at 2:22 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Heaven is not a place. Heaven is a state of existing in relation to the Lord. Luke 17:21
Your taking that verse out of context. Jesus is saying how some will misinterpret signs of the end. Like Jesus on toast.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: Where is heaven?
January 3, 2014 at 3:23 pm
(January 3, 2014 at 2:22 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Heaven is not a place. Heaven is a state of existing in relation to the Lord. Luke 17:21
Not quite what Christians believed before the 17th century
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RE: Where is heaven?
January 3, 2014 at 3:26 pm
(This post was last modified: January 3, 2014 at 3:38 pm by Neo-Scholastic.)
(January 3, 2014 at 3:04 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: (January 3, 2014 at 2:22 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Heaven is not a place. Heaven is a state of existing in relation to the Lord. Luke 17:21
Your taking that verse out of context. Jesus is saying how some will misinterpret signs of the end. Like Jesus on toast.
The misinterpretation of signs is attributed to having a faulty conception of the Kingdom of Heaven as time and place. Jesus was "in their midst" was he not? That reading also applies to the term "at hand" used in relation to the Kingdom of Heaven. To enter the Kingdom of Heaven means to repent and follow Christ.
(January 3, 2014 at 1:24 pm)Brakeman Wrote: .. mansion not existing in the clouds... Wherever the word mansion is used it refers to doctrines since these figuratively house our beliefs. "In the clouds" always means to be obscured by the surface or literal meaning of the text.
(January 3, 2014 at 3:23 pm)djkamilo Wrote: (January 3, 2014 at 2:22 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Heaven is not a place. Heaven is a state of existing in relation to the Lord. Luke 17:21
Not quite what Christians believed before the 17th century Progressive revelation allows God to reach us where we are. Theses hidden meanings were opened in 1757, so you almost got the year right.
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RE: Where is heaven?
January 3, 2014 at 5:29 pm
(January 3, 2014 at 3:26 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: (January 3, 2014 at 3:04 pm)Lemonvariable72 kodateline='1388775895' Wrote: Your taking that verse out of context. Jesus is saying how some will misinterpret signs of the end. Like Jesus on toast.
The misinterpretation of signs is attributed to having a faulty conception of the Kingdom of Heaven as time and place. Jesus was "in their midst" was he not? That reading also applies to the term "at hand" used in relation to the Kingdom of Heaven. To enter the Kingdom of Heaven means to repent and follow Christ.
(January 3, 2014 at 1:24 pm)Brakeman Wrote: .. mansion not existing in the clouds... Wherever the word mansion is used it refers to doctrines since these figuratively house our beliefs. "In the clouds" always means to be obscured by the surface or literal meaning of the text.
(January 3, 2014 at 3:23 pm)djkamilo Wrote: Not quite what Christians believed before the 17th century Progressive revelation allows God to reach us where we are. Theses hidden meanings were opened in 1757, so you almost got the year right. If gods intention is too save as many as he can, then wtf would he want with progressive revelation.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: Where is heaven?
January 3, 2014 at 6:39 pm
Progressive revelation is God's way of matching His message to the understanding of the audience. The literal meaning reaches those with a bronze age level of understanding. With the dawn of the Enlightenment the hidden levels were revealed to reach modern society. As moderns we must approach the text in the manner of moderns.
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