Why are Christians so obsessed with Beating Children??

[là bạn điên]

I was beaten many times growing up and it made me into a better person. Without those beatings I would have fallen into sin and would probably be some drug abusing sex crazed atheist. The scars that mark my back and arms are marks of love from my parents and attest to their love and caring. I have direction and discipline and unshakeable faith. Nonbelievers are without direction or discipline. When I decide to have a child I will show them the guidance and love necessary to keep our country more disciplined than China.

You don't SEEM to be a better person. You seem to be a parody of a fundamentlist. Pro tip: Your spelling is way too good for the persona you're trying to portray.

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You cannot reason discipline to a child they learned obedience through the rod and when they achieve goals appreciate the harsh discipline later in life.

My parents believed that and I wound up an atheist. Make you think, or it should.

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Stockholm Syndrome.

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Your Honors, I enter the following into evidence: To Train Up a Child

Children have been killed by parents following the advice in this book.

To Train up a Child has been banned by Amazon. The writers and puboishers shoul;d be charged with conspiracy to assualt Minors

[Justtristo]

What Dirch quoted above, such treatment of children is commanded by Yahweh in his "word".

What drich quoted was a series of proverbs. Do you know the difference between a proverb, and command?

Is not "all Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness" as 2 Timothy 3:16 states.

[Drich]

What drich quoted was a series of proverbs. Do you know the difference between a proverb, and command?

Is not "all Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness" as 2 Timothy 3:16 states.

Do you know the defination of words scripture, proverb and psalm? Did you know there was a distinction made between the three?

[Creed of Heresy]

In a 100 years it will be a mirical that we all do not speak one form of chineese or another, because the hippy children we are raising now will simply not be able to compete with the armies of focoused, acute and sharp minds that the chineese are producing by the billions. They will be the ones dictating foreign policies and the over all direction in which this world will work.

All because douche bag parents now are afraid to be identified as having 'failed' because they choose to activaly disipline their kids.

You gotta be fucking kidding me.

China sends its children here to our universities for a reason, dude; our universities are superior to theirs. Can't compete with the armies of... *chuckles darkly* Can't compete with armies?



Those are all vehicles that were used by Iraqi forces trying to flee Kuwait to Iraq in 1991 after we obliterated them over the course of maybe two months. They had the forth largest and best-financed military in the world, with numbers to match our own.

We barely lost a hundred men, a few tanks, and some aircraft.

They lost their ability to wage war.

Don't tell me we can't compete with China. Numbers don't mean shit when your opponent can obliterate your massed troops with impunity, and when you can't supply that army because it's too enormous to supply. China's got next to no fleet; we have, what, a dozen carrier groups, each one carrying enough firepower to all but remove an entire developing country off the map; enough firepower to reduce just about every building to rubble and every man, woman, and child to paste. The Chinese won't have the ability to field such power for a very long time. And given how China's economic forecast is suddenly not as rosy as it was before, and all it takes is us electing a president and politicians who actually substantially raise taxes on the rich to get our deficit in line, for some reason I am dubious of the supposed threat China poses.

Now, meanwhile, in our country, we're all being raised as "hippies" because we're finally getting with the fucking program as a society. Europe is more hippy-ish than we are, that's for fucking sure, and yet, gee, they're pretty much two steps ahead of us socially and economically, ESPECIALLY in education.

So for one thing, your whiny claim is bullshit based on a personal opinion of yours and NOT steeped in any kind of real world fact...which is not surprising...

For another thing, would you actually prefer we continue to stagnate as a culture while China advances in other ways? Or would you rather our society and culture get its shit together, stop finding ways to hate one another and instead find reasons to work with one another, and achieve prosperity while meanwhile 1.5 billion Chinese people live under a mantle of censorship, restriction of personal liberties, ultranationalistic dogma, and limitation of access to information nationwide?

Smacking your kids around does not make your kids grow up better. It just teaches them that violence is a proper response to something. Discipline doesn't come from application of force; ask anyone who has enlisted in the military about that. They don't NEED to beat the shit out of you because they make you do it to yourself; they make you focus, they make you push yourself, they make you understand the need for teamwork and cooperation. Yes, they also emphasize the removal of an enemy violently, but that is because that is the direction in which the military points those who enlist; that education could be used for anything.

You don't need to resort to physical violence to instill discipline. It just requires you to have a fucking backbone, do your damn job as the guiding authority figure, and learn to have some fucking restraint. If you really need to discipline your kids, you can do the job of getting them in line verbally or by giving them a reason to not act up that does NOT involve physical pain.

So stop stroking off to the right to beat your kid, Drich, it's fucking creepy.

[Polaris]

The problem with youth in America is that parents have failed to provide adequate discipline. It has less to do with religion and more to do with race at this point. I have noticed in America, it's the white parents (many of whom are Christian) who have gotten soft on punishment.

What is it with you & race? Race is a social construct with no real value. Racism is the belief that humanity can be divided up into separate races.

Also, for someone who claims to be progressive you have very old-fashioned ideas about children.

Progressive does not mean letting society fall into the shithole that is Oakland.

That's just "progressives" who aim to make money off misery....aka Republicans.

[là bạn điên]

Those are all vehicles that were used by Iraqi forces trying to flee Kuwait to Iraq in 1991 after we obliterated them over the course of maybe two months. They had the forth largest and best-financed military in the world, with numbers to match our own.

We barely lost a hundred men, a few tanks, and some aircraft.

They lost their ability to wage war.

You were so impressive in 1st Gulf that you managed to kill more British soldiers than the Iraqis did.

HOWEVER everything else you said was spot on.

[Drich]

You gotta be fucking kidding me.

China sends its children here to our universities for a reason, dude; our universities are superior to theirs. Can't compete with the armies of... *chuckles darkly* Can't compete with armies?

I completely understand the need to trivialize China's role as a or even the super power. I bet even after Rome fell there were still people who would not except that the Roman Empire would only exist as a shadow of it former self.

If you are one of those people stop reading here, unless your a man of blind faith that has the ability to ignore known facts, and clings to what you want to believe no matter what.

The reasons china send their students to the west does include that the quality of education the seek is here, but the sheer volume of students who meet or exceed their requirements for higher learning (which btw far exceeds anything we use) surpasses their ability to facilitate this higher learning. They only have 2200 collages and 300 universities that on average can process out about 20 million people a year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_uni...s_in_China

As the following artical explains Their needs far exceeds their current capacity.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/edu/2012-12/07...061529.htm

Those are all vehicles that were used by Iraqi forces trying to flee Kuwait to Iraq in 1991 after we obliterated them over the course of maybe two months. They had the forth largest and best-financed military in the world, with numbers to match our own.

We barely lost a hundred men, a few tanks, and some aircraft.

They lost their ability to wage war.

take a closer look at the picture, how many military vechicals do you see there? How many of those vechicals could actively defend themselves against a10s and the attack helicopters that just obliterated the convoy of civie cars and trucks?
Do you honestly think the Chinese army will stack themselves as fish in a barrel and not defend themselves as the Iraqis did here?

Don't tell me we can't compete with China.

i did not say there was a competition between us and china. The competition has been over since we moved our industrial base over there. For example, if we went to war with them do you still think they would provide us with all the parts we need to build and maintain our fleets of military vechicals?

Think of why the south lost the civil war. It all boiled down to industry. The north had it and the south did not. They could not produce or maintain the tools needed to wage a 'modern war..' Now how much more depenant are we on industry for our version of modern war fare?

The US does not produce a fraction of the components we need to maintain our fleets let alone replenish them. Let's look at something simple like batteries. Our technology based war fighters rely heavily on electronics for uav's to interlink equipment, to robots, to just simple radios. The current batteries we depend on are All sourced in china. The specific battery systems may be assembled here, but the actual lithium ion battery cell those systems are build around originates from china. There is one manufacturing facility outside of china that only produces a fraction of the battery cells china makes, and what is worse.. That factory relies on china for the raw lithium needed to make those cells.

So why not go back to the old alkilides? One we do not have those factories any more and our tactics would have to be re modified for shorter or less dependence on electronic devices.. In short We would lose our technological edge in many areas on the simple loss of something as stupid as batteries. Then we would be reduced to fighting one on one. It would become a sheer numbers game. Guess who has the advantage in a war of attrition?

Numbers don't mean shit when your opponent can obliterate your massed troops with impunity, and when you can't supply that army because it's too enormous to supply.

history and fact trumps government propaganda in the real world. For example do you understand why there is a North Korea and a South Korea? Do you know why there is no longer a north Vietnam and a south Vietnam? Here a hint it has to do with a massive country that both of the smaller countries neighbor, which allowed that massive country to funnel more men than we had bullets into pushing the US out of the region.. And that was BEFORE we handed them the technological/industrial advantage.

China's got next to no fleet; we have, what, a dozen carrier groups, each one carrying enough firepower to all but remove an entire developing country off the map; enough firepower to reduce just about every building to rubble and every man, woman, and child to paste. The Chinese won't have the ability to field such power for a very long time. And given how China's economic forecast is suddenly not as rosy as it was before, and all it takes is us electing a president and politicians who actually substantially raise taxes on the rich to get our deficit in line, for some reason I am dubious of the supposed threat China poses.

maybe read the art of war.
The Chinese will be prepared to fight us where we are not..

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/commentar...z2qlNY3gPd

Meaning they are not preparing to line ships up with us and blast it out like the Japanese did. As the artical points out the have an arsenal of carrier and sub killer missiles.

Imagine a dozen Saturn V size rockets per ship, coming in at Mach 10 from several different directions at once, what good will a convoy do against that kind of firepower?

Fight where your enemy isn't.

In the war against the faulkin islands the British lost one of their carriers to a regular aircraft fired cruise type missile. This little colony using 30 year old technology and bloodied the British navy's nose so badly it sent all other carriers home.
That one act turned the tide of that war in the 80's.

Now imagine what a well maned well funded purposes army can do.

Now, meanwhile, in our country, we're all being raised as "hippies" because we're finally getting with the fucking program as a society. Europe is more hippy-ish than we are, that's for fucking sure, and yet, gee, they're pretty much two steps ahead of us socially and economically, ESPECIALLY in education.

what are you talking about? I import product from and to the EU/Italy and talk with people there about the state of their economy all the time, and it is in a terrible mess. If our unemployment rate was as high as theirs we would have impeached the president. I was told that at the peek of our depression our unemployment rate was still lower than theirs durning what they consider to be good economic times..

But hey what do I know right?
Maybe look at what the ny times has to say about your model soceity.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/...risis.html

Now compare that to China's economic boom
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news...879166.cms

So for one thing, your whiny claim is bullshit based on a personal opinion of yours and NOT steeped in any kind of real world fact...which is not surprising...

I think the irony and sheer empty ness of your wishful thinking just gave everyone who read it cancer. EVERYTHING I just said is 100% verifiable. You just have your head buried I the sand and cover the rest of your self in government propaganda. Wake up! It is people like you who have given this country/western soceity over to china in exchange for door buster sales, and 400 dollar plasma tvs.

For another thing, would you actually prefer we continue to stagnate as a culture while China advances in other ways? Or would you rather our society and culture get its shit together, stop finding ways to hate one another and instead find reasons to work with one another, and achieve prosperity while meanwhile 1.5 billion Chinese people live under a mantle of censorship, restriction of personal liberties, ultranationalistic dogma, and limitation of access to information nationwide?

What are you talking about? My whole message is geared toward getting parents to train their children in such a way as to compete with the Chinese. And stop feeding them this hippy crap that has destroyed Europe.

Smacking your kids around does not make your kids grow up better.

Says...
Who?

the people letting their country go to pot? Why does any one care about how the defeated want to raise their kids?

It just teaches them that violence is a proper response to something.

Only if you teach them that, by using force as an emotional realse or as a inconsistent unplanned form of discipline. It was my experience that we only had to physically discipline our child when she was very young, and rarly if ever did we need to correct her with or for anything else later on.

Discipline doesn't come from application of force; ask anyone who has enlisted in the military about that. They don't NEED to beat the shit out of you because they make you do it to yourself; they make you focus, they make you push yourself, they make you understand the need for teamwork and cooperation. Yes, they also emphasize the removal of an enemy violently, but that is because that is the direction in which the military points those who enlist; that education could be used for anything.

and what about before they can properly communicate or even phathom your life philosophy about playing in a busy street?

You don't need to resort to physical violence to instill discipline. It just requires you to have a fucking backbone, do your damn job as the guiding authority figure, and learn to have some fucking restraint. If you really need to discipline your kids, you can do the job of getting them in line verbally or by giving them a reason to not act up that does NOT involve physical pain.

So stop stroking off to the right to beat your kid, Drich, it's fucking creepy.

You do not seem to understand what physical discipline actually is. There should be no emotional or retaliatory aspect to it. It should be a consequence to a bad choice, not a way to get even. What your describing and trying to use as a general stereotype for all physical discipline is pure ignorance on your part and of those whom discipline that way.

[Creed of Heresy]

You were so impressive in 1st Gulf that you managed to kill more British soldiers than the Iraqis did.

HOWEVER everything else you said was spot on.

We DO have a very long history of killing British soldiers, don't we? Even when they're our allies we can't help but put them in our gunsights...

Friendly fire...isn't.

In fact, a lot of our losses were due to friendly fire. Our bombs weren't always on target, either. "Smart bombs" they called them. But back then, THIS was the pinnacle of our stealth combat aircraft tech:



Now we have things like this:



And this:



But more importantly...a growing fleet of these:





And we even have stealth choppers, apparently; something nobody knew about until we double-tapped Osama.

What does China have?

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Yeah. No drone aircraft. A stealth jet that uses extremely out-of-date stealth tech based on the F-117 and has next to no heat-signature baffling. And Soviet knock-off weapons.

[Drich]

What does China have?
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Just the keys to our fleets...

What happens when they stop supplying Boeing, or McDonald/Douglass, or any of the other contractors that source 80 to 90% of our parts their?

Agin you guys keep think old hat, your like the British soldiers who wanted to line up thirty feet for their targets and fire vollies of black power rounds each other.. Which works if your enemy will play that way. The reason we kicked their teeth in was because the majority of the war was fought of the planned battle fields of the British.

Fight your enemy where he isn't means to attack him Where he is not read or able to absorb a deadly blow. For us our weakness is found in our dependence on technology that our greatest potential enemy produces...

Do you think trade with china will remain open as we fight against them? Watch death by china, we have shipped 80% of our industry over there because of cheap labor. We can no long sustain our current life styles without Chinese imports.. So not only will their be a battle front to fight somewhere else we could potentially face massive civil unrest as well..

Let's thank our presidents Clinton and Obama for that one. As they opened the boarders and made trade not only possible, but very very profitable, which eliminated any competitors who did not move production to china.

[Chas]

What does China have?
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Just the keys to our fleets...

What happens when they stop supplying Boeing, or McDonald/Douglass, or any of the other contractors that source 80 to 90% of our parts their?

Agin you guys keep think old hat, your like the British soldiers who wanted to line up thirty feet for their targets and fire vollies of black power rounds each other.. Which works if your enemy will play that way. The reason we kicked their teeth in was because the majority of the war was fought of the planned battle fields of the British.

Fight your enemy where he isn't means to attack him Where he is not read or able to absorb a deadly blow. For us our weakness is found in our dependence on technology that our greatest potential enemy produces...

Do you think trade with china will remain open as we fight against them? Watch death by china, we have shipped 80% of our industry over there because of cheap labor. We can no long sustain our current life styles without Chinese imports.. So not only will their be a battle front to fight somewhere else we could potentially face massive civil unrest as well..

Let's thank our presidents Clinton and Obama for that one. As they opened the boarders and made trade not only possible, but very very profitable, which eliminated any competitors who did not move production to china.

How did you forget Bush? An oversight, perhaps.