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(January 26, 2014 at 2:01 am)Drich Wrote: Mrs.Trich is a possible screen name for my wife. We were kicking around a few.
Drich's Real Boss would probably be the most accurate and might earn you a few points, as well.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
(January 28, 2014 at 8:43 pm)Cinjin Wrote: Translated, this is what you actually are saying: "I have nothing to combat the actual true history of Yahweh so instead I'm going to attempt to make it appear that I'm simply dismissing your argument due to an implied lack of evidence."
Actually I'm saing your not worth the effort. Your whole understanding is wrong, and I see a need to have to rebuild your whole understanding from the ground up. Which means several different reference points, none of which will be good enough because you have closed your mind around your wiki page.
I have gone around and around long enough with you to know your need for commentary from a source you trust. The problem with that is you only trust sources that agree with your predetermined conclusions. Your not one who can look at raw history or data and make an unbiased opinion.
This horse shit only serves to drive my point home. You have nothing to support your claim, so you continue to scoff and mock in an attempt to draw attention away from this fact. You know I won't accept your "references" because they're filled with unproven idiocy written by religious fucktards. What's more, in doing so you only reveal that you cannot see the irony in your own statement. YOU are not one that can look at raw history or data and make an unbiased opinion.
Drich Wrote:
Cinjin Wrote:Uh yeah duh. This is what happens to ALL christians.
Ah, no. How much pride does it take to assume that your experience with God is the experience of every man woman and child on the planet Since adam?
did you ever stop to think that maybe you were holding on to something that God wanted you to let go? We have been told to humble ourselves before God, and allow Him to lift you up. If a Humble man is asked to give his God 'X' the Humble man lets it go. If not then God will never lift him up.. and he will sit in silence.
Your assumption (and that's ALL it is) of my own experience means nothing. We're not talking about me and frankly, this lame attempt at misdirection is bull shit. Stop being such a greasy turd and keep to the topic at hand.
Drich Wrote:
Cinjin Wrote:Even the most devout of christards will usually admit that god has never audibly spoken to them.
Why does God need to Speak to them audibly if they have A/S/K'ed and received the Holy Spirit?
Your repetition of that stupid acronym does not make my point any less valid and it sure as fuck doesn't deny that what I said is COMPLETELY TRUE. Answer this question and do so without answering it with another question: True or False - the great majority of devout Christians will admit that their god has never audibly spoken to them.
Quote:If God lives with in you why do you need to speak with Him?
You tell me. You're the dolt on his knees praying to the walls.
Quote:I Speak/Pray to God everyday for answers and direction. I receive it. Just like I am giving you direction concerning Spiritual matters with out once hearing my voice I too receive directions from God without hearing an audiable voice.
Just how stupid are you??? That is one of the dumbest, most illogical examples I've EVER read on this site. God is not currently typing messages out on a computer screen. You receive messages from me, a verifiable person. You are NOT receiving anything from your god. Even my lunatic devotee father doesn't claim to get direct transmissions from his holy sky daddy.
Quote:Without Christianity, 'your prople' would have way more on your plates than you know what to do with. It is Christianity that keeps the masses in check and in line with whatever soceity deems acceptiable. Take that balance out and we will be living in the world of 'The Road or the Book of Eli.'
Really?
Than explain the Dark Ages. Explain the Spanish Inquisition. Explain the myriad of historical records that show whenever Christianity had majority control, the world became an immoral shit hole that NO ONE has EVER tried to purposely recreate. Unfortunately, the only way to truly prove that you're full of shit is to wait for you and all the other half-wit sheep to die off. Sadly, you won't be around for my grandchildren to rub it in your lying face.
(January 29, 2014 at 2:14 pm)Luckie Wrote: I went over your posts for oh 30 pages worth (Out of 208) last night as I avoided sleep and worries about a medical
procedure while genuinely looking over what you have to say as a whole. You do have some good points, and I'm not going to
lie--all of your posts aren't rampant with flagrancy like I had thought. The only time I see you on these forums, honestly,
is when you've said something so dumb I hear about it or walk in, in the middle of it.
Thank you i think? (why does it feel like i got slapped?) It's amazing what a little context will do.
Quote:This verse sums up a few of my following points
1 Peter 2:23
23 People insulted him, but he did not insult them back. He suffered, but he did not threaten anyone.
No, he let God take care of him. God is the one who judges rightly. 24 Christ carried our sins in his body on
the cross. He did this so that we would stop living for sin and live for what is right. By his wounds you were healed. 25
You were like sheep that went the wrong way. But now you have come back to the Shepherd and Protector of your lives.
Speaking of need for context lets put this passage back into it's orginal context.
18 Servants, be submissive to your masters with all fear, not only to the good and gentle, but also to the harsh. 19 For this is commendable, if because of conscience toward God one endures grief, suffering wrongfully. 20 For what credit is it if, when you are beaten for your faults, you take it patiently? But when you do good and suffer, if you take it patiently, this is commendable before God. 21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us,[f] leaving us[g] an example, that you should follow His steps:
22 “Who committed no sin,
Nor was deceit found in His mouth”;
Then your verses. So the Command was in the above to servants who maybe enduring unfavoriable masters. and your described how Jesus was subservent to His Father's service and Task.
Now unless you are saying that I am your slave.. Know with all of your mind this passage is not applicable here.
(November 20, 2013 at 5:49 pm)Drich Wrote: Seriously? have you read any ancient text? ANYTHING they could not explain was attributed to some extraordinary claim. especially Egyptian, Greeks and the ancient Chinese. Read how some of their battles were won, or how water was brought
to a given city or town, or how leaders came to power. What makes these 'claims' legit is context and how or what they
were trying to describe or depict.
Soo... How is that hypocritical?
1. The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.
2. An act or instance of such falseness.
I appearently used pride as a wayto break a mis identification of a no true scotsman fallacy...
(As pride is a condition that would disqualify one from being a Christian, as per the rules that outline one's entry into Christianity)
Pride is not forbidden in those religions.. so I honestly don't get your meaning.
Quote:Funny how the Bible to you is just, word for word, unerring and true. Extraordinary claims and all.
By what measure could you possibly know what is historically 'legit' in the bible, and what is not? Because it told you so?
where in the highlighted text did you get that? Matter of Fact Where in any of what I've said did you get that?
(January 15, 2013 at 2:18 pm)Drich Wrote: If you loved someone with all of you being, and knew they loved you back with an even greater love and you got to sample that love, but were ripped apart by something you did or something you spent your life doing, and had to be eternally seperated from that person, The Seperation in of itself becomes the eternity of torture.
Quote:Oh the hypocracy, Drich! To you this is what you believe hell to be for humans; while humans believe this to be what god does to humans when it comes to their loved ones in his implementation of hell. By your own definition god tortures us even if we do make it to heaven..
Did I miss something? Are you trying to type through your medical proceedure? maybe you should wait get some rest and try again. This makes no sense.
The torture of Hell comes in the way of seperation from God.. I have never said I thought there was a being torturing you in Hell on God's behalf. Everything in Hell is being punished. There is no King of Hell.
(November 20, 2013 at 5:49 pm)Drich Wrote: Now I can honestly say With every ounce of my being I know God exists and works daily in my life.[u] why? because of all of the things I have witnessed.[u] I can see and even with some marginal accuracy predict how things will play out.
Not because I am special or a prophet. i simply know the pattern God uses in my life and i look for it. When I see it I know to either knuckle down or move on. again because after 20+ years even a dullard like myself gets the carrot and the stick method.
Quote:Your own life is in itself the only testament to your unwavering belief in your god. Whereas your muslim neighbor or your buddhist neighbor both have the same unwaivering belief in their god for similar reasons.
Well one buddhist don't believe in God. They believe in a path of enlightment, to elevate one's spiritual status. To transend this plain of existance. As Esqulax would say this is an unfalsefiable position.
Because in truth one will not know whether or not he has 'leveled up.' till he sheds this life.
there is nothing to verify nothing to check your progress.
Muslims (the real ones not the watered down one we have here) Believe God does not reach out to people unless you are a prophet.
So again there is nothing to verify..
Christianity is different. We All have the potential to be in literally direct contact with God. To have A peice of God be with you always.. This Change, this addition to your being creates a change. One that can be measured and verfied.
The other religions you mention do not offer what Christianity offers. You are compareing apples and oranges and dates.. (Get it?) Apple= Christianity/The fruit typically assoceiated with the tree of knoweledge, Oranges, well asians loves them some oranges, and dates.. well i haven't got all of it down but you get the idea.
Drich Wrote:then nothing, now let me ask what if you Atheists are Wrong?
Quote:Time and time again, you seem to mock the idea that we'd all burn in hell for eternity and communicate your appreciation for this fact.
Calm down, you don't believe in God remember? No God= No hell. so you have absolutly nothing to worry about... Unless of course your unsure.. Then maybe i can see where this would be not so funny.
Quote:We, do nothing to deserve such treatment; you don't know us, yet you'll condemn us.
again I do not condemn you. I simply do not vest an intrest in the choice you make concerning Eternity. If I did I would be a nervous wreck. I have spoken to more people than I can remember. If I invested my self into the choice you were given over to make, then i do not think I could take on this responsiablity.. So no. The only option I have is to respect the choice you all are given over to make, by providing you with all the accurate information God has provided me with on demend. The rest is completely up to you.
After all if God saw fit you take the trainning wheels off and allowed you the freedom to decide what to do with your eternity, then who am I to tell you, that you made the wrong choice?
Me joking about it only reinforces the absolute certainity of your desision. If you are having trouble living with your desision and the absolutle certainty of it now... Then perhapse it is time to revisit what you believe before you are held to the choice you have been given over to this life.
If it were up to me i would create a purgatory/prision or superman universe 'phantom Zone.' and put you all in there till you paid for whatever.. but it is not up to me. WE all have been given over to make a choice one we will be made to endure for eternity one way or another.
Me making light of your choice is my way of testing or pushing your boundries. To make sure you (Like Mini) know what you have decided and are completely comfortable with it. Because In just a few short years it will be too late to do anything about it.
Quote: You'll seek us out online just to do so. Even after your Jesus said that only god would be the judge of where we all go.
Actually He said He will be the judge. "No man comes to the Father but through him."
But, even so, do you think He will drag you into Heaven kicking and screaming? after you have lived this whole life trying to put distance between you and Him?
I don't know the orgins of this line but it is said; "it is better to reign in Hell than to serve in Heaven."
What do you think Heaven is going to be? It is slavery to God. Hell is freedom from that slavery. If you do not want to serve God in this life what makes you think you will serve Him for eternity?
(January 15, 2013 at 6:02 pm)Drich Wrote: I will say everything happens for a reason, and that the present is the product of the past. Just because one changes the past it does not mean he (Hitler) will have a better future. Prevent these conflicts could be the end of humanity.
If God simply know what will happen, does not mean He forced it to happen that way. The doctrine of predestination says just that. (that God wrote the movie.)
God on the other hand has this ablity, as such I believe Him to be obligated to effect change and to kill a person or an entire people IF it were to negitivly effect the course for the Plan of Human History. Say for instance A given people would eventually over throw and destroy the people who were meant to foster the Messiah, and subsequently eternal savlation for all humanity. For this reason I could see why a few babies needed to be smashed against the rocks. If indeed those babies would grow to be a race of hitlers, dooming all of Humanity to Hell.
Quote:The cognitive dissonance here astounds me.
Do you believe in a woman's right to choose? (If I remember correctly your answer is yes) There over a billion babies that have been killed to perserve a woman's 'right to choose.' Do you understand what this means? That 1.2 billion women killed a baby for the sake of her circumstance, and your saying that is ok.. But when God smashed a couple hundred babies against some rocks to potentially save the species this is some how more wrong than not wanting a baby?
The cognitive dissonance here no, the blatent hypocrisy here astounds me.
Just so we are clear on the defination here it is again:
1. The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.
2. An act or instance of such falseness.
Quote:
Heretical thinking, which I find to be refuted by fellow Christians all over the internet
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In our very first encounter one year ago, you said:
(January 20, 2013 at 1:16 am)Drich Wrote: I am not here to save anyone, but to help you cement or change the choice you have made about God.
Doesn't seem to match up with what the bible says you should be doing.
show me. Book chapter and verse. Please.. (and it mirrors what I said in the first half of the post, funny how there is consistance in what I have said over the years?)
Quote:The mere fact that you call your god YHWH is heresy to a majority of Christian denominations, and quite strong cases have been made that you in fact are worshiping a polytheistic god.
there is a reason why I do not generally use that term and substitute it for "The God of the bible." (Meaning your arguement falls on it's face, you are speaking to christian sterotypes and to nothing I have said.)
Quote:Why, out of all the denominations and billions of people who share your faith, would I believe you're the one that has it all right?
Because Mine like the bible says no Jesus Christ centered Religion has it !00% right. In fact we have it wrong. all of us. But it also says the same grace that covers willful sin when we repent also covers our unintentional hertical mess ups when we are being 100% faithful to what we know and understand as worship.
Pauls says in 1 cor 12 and romans 12 we are all indivisual members of the body of Christ we do not all have the same function, nor do we all serve the body in the same way. Yet we are all expected to honor our roles in the body. If we do this then we will not be found lacking or at fault.
also look at the letter's Paul wrote to rome, hebrews, corinith, galica, ephesus etc.. look at the mention of the 12 churches in Revelations... Each one of these gatherings of believers repersented a different culture a different social idenity and even a completely different way of serving the same God. In other words these were all different denominations. The idea of a single church or a single body member was a darkages creation, not a biblical one.
Quote:That city was built several miles from the orginal site.
No, stupid. You are WRONG.
Besides...your silly god said:
Quote:14 I will make you a bare rock. You shall be a place for the spreading of nets. You shall never be rebuilt, for I am the Lord; I have spoken, declares the Lord God.
Ez 26
Careful that you don't end up in hell because your god finds your lack of faith disturbing.
What kind of a fucking god cannot even prevent a bunch of Phoenicians from re-building a city that he wanted to disappear?
January 29, 2014 at 6:30 pm (This post was last modified: January 29, 2014 at 6:37 pm by Drich.)
(January 29, 2014 at 4:29 pm)Tonus Wrote:
(January 26, 2014 at 2:01 am)Drich Wrote: Mrs.Trich is a possible screen name for my wife. We were kicking around a few.
Drich's Real Boss would probably be the most accurate and might earn you a few points, as well.
(January 29, 2014 at 6:30 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:That city was built several miles from the orginal site.
No, stupid. You are WRONG.
show me
Besides...your silly god said:
Quote:14 I will make you a bare rock. You shall be a place for the spreading of nets. You shall never be rebuilt, for I am the Lord; I have spoken, declares the Lord God.
Ez 26
Careful that you don't end up in hell because your god finds your lack of faith disturbing.
What kind of a fucking god cannot even prevent a bunch of Phoenicians from re-building a city that he wanted to disappear?
The asswipe seems like a major incompetent to me.
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I'm not going to help you chase your tail again. I have already put this arguement to bed a few times, but I guess it is old and has to keep getting up to go to the bathroom... Here is a link for real facts that supports my position. All you have to do is sort though all your old posts to find it. http://atheistforums.org/thread-15349.ht...light=tyre
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