I was just in a debate with a christian

[Bad Wolf]

What he said....

[pocaracas]

if your god would send me to hell for using the mind he gave me to evaluate the world he put me in, if being sincerely incorrect is something worthy of punishment to him, then he's got a hell of a lot of explaining to do once I stand before him.

I simply don't understand why it pleases you to characterize your god as being that petty and small minded, though.

Isn't there someplace we can put awesome quotes by our members?

[Esquilax]

Isn't there someplace we can put awesome quotes by our members?

It's in the off topic forum.

[Sword of Christ]

This is as succinct a summation of your arguments so far as I have seen. You are right, you don't know it's true.

That's why it's called a faith but it's based on rational arguments and evidence. Not scientific proof as you can't ever have that but there is scientific evidence, you have the big bang (moment of creation when time itself began to exist as Biblical theism stated) and the fine tuning/complexity of a life sustaining universe. So even science will point toward God or a purposeful intelligent agency as well as something timeless and non-physical. Masses of other arguments and evidences I have only scratched surface on here but if you're interested in finding more about this for yourself it is all there and you can find out about all this.

It follows that you cannot demonstrate it.

You can't demonstrate atheism or even provide decent arguments to support it as being true. You can point out that you can't ever know for certain that God exists or not and you can point out there is no scientific proof but that's not an argument.

You cannot prove the thing you believe in.

You can prove the sheer likelihood of it based on the evidences we have and reasoned arguments, and that's enough to have faith in it than not. You can't prove it with science if God is beyond what science can study and detect so that isn't an issue.

Therefore, I have no reason to believe it, as you cannot demonstrate it.

Atheism is destroyed on the basis of the arguments from morality and freewill alone let alone everything else you can bring to bear, the teleological arguments, arguments from first cause and the universality of belief and so on. All this business involving infinite multiple universes that create each other with blackholes or whatever is a complete crock and there's no evidence for it anyway.

If you have nothing at all to base this upon then it's as good as a blind faith in something you can't know. Particularly if you want to state that's "the truth", the truth because it's your own opinion? That's not how it works.

You're the one who believe in this multiple universe business (something science could demonstrate if it exists) for no other reason than because that's what you want to believe. It's a faith and there is no reason for it hence a blind faith with no justification. It's a man made religion of pure unadulterated madness that's what it is. You must free your mind!

My "basis" for my atheism is that I could not produce the god I believed in.

No you have a God it's just the pure madness of over inflated human egotism thinking it is God is the supreme unintelligence of the universe and knows or will know everything there to know about everything. The arguments and rational arguments for the other kind of God destroy this God you believe in.

So I stopped believing in him because, as you note, my opinion wasn't going to make him exist.

Damn right it doesn't but you can have a right opinion and a wrong opinion. You have an opinion that's really seriously wrong but I have something more than my opinion to counter it, the arguments from reason and various evidences for God do exist. Atheism has nothing but opinion, it's the opinion that there isn't a God or a good reason to believe God exists and that's it.

So it follows that your opinion, backed by the opinion of others, is no more convincing. Especially when you admit that you cannot produce the god that you opine exists.

You just have to refute atheism/materialism and by God that's easy enough.

[Bad Wolf]

Oh look, I'll say it on another thread. SoC you don't know what atheism is.

[Rampant.A.I.]

I never said it was a dangerous injury that you can be dealt the point is you can apply Pascals Wager to a certain extent. I can say you'll feel foolish when you're proved 100% wrong seeing as that's the only thing that can ever happen to you personally. If you were 100% right you would cease to exist and therefore not be proved right. I'd rather be wrong believing what I believe than right believing what you lot believe regardless.

Pascal's wager is as blasphemous as you can get. It's not a measure of faith. And what is this about "being 100% right and ceasing to exist"? You're talking about getting a Tetris IRL?

[Tonus]

That's why it's called a faith but it's based on rational arguments and evidence. Not scientific proof as you can't ever have that but there is scientific evidence, you have the big bang (moment of creation when time itself began to exist as Biblical theism stated) and the fine tuning/complexity of a life sustaining universe.

In one breath you claim that science cannot even detect god, then you go on about how there is scientific evidence. Then you point to theories that don't involve god at all, or that have already been debunked.

You can't demonstrate atheism or even provide decent arguments to support it as being true.

I can "demonstrate atheism" by reading your posts, wherein you admit that you cannot produce god.

You can prove the sheer likelihood of it

You continue to vacillate between claims that god cannot be found, and that he can be found. That's not a very convincing approach.

Atheism is destroyed

If I had a nickel for every time some theist claimed that atheism had been destroyed, I'd have a lot of nickels. If I had a nickel for every time atheism was actually destroyed, I'd have no nickels. It's notable that whenever you have to do more than just claim that it's destroyed, you don't even bother to try.

You're the one who believe in this multiple universe business (something science could demonstrate if it exists) for no other reason than because that's what you want to believe.

I haven't said a thing about multiple universes. You either have me confused with someone else or have decided to erect yet another strawman.

No you have a God it's just the pure madness of over inflated human egotism thinking it is God is the supreme unintelligence of the universe and knows or will know everything there to know about everything. The arguments and rational arguments for the other kind of God destroy this God you believe in.

Gibberish. I'm not sure if it's that you've stopped trying or a genuine attempt to explain an insane position.

Damn right it doesn't but you can have a right opinion and a wrong opinion.

You have an opinion that you base on something you admit cannot be detected, and for which you provide painfully bad arguments in support.

You just have to refute atheism/materialism and by God that's easy enough.

Feel free to start whenever you're ready.

[Bad Wolf]

The next thing you know he's going to be arguing about how deep the moon dust is!

[Mystical]

hey SoC,
I noticed you brought up fine tuning in your argument. Care to share what you consider to be fine tuning by the hands of god observed by science?

[Esquilax]

Hey Sword, this is the third time I've asked this now, but if you're so convinced that your arguments are cogent and convincing, why not have a debate with me on them? Are you afraid of something? You keep ignoring me when I ask you this...

It's almost as if you aren't as confident that your fiat assertions will hold up in a structured format!