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RE: Conciousness vs. Soul
March 1, 2014 at 3:15 pm
Wow, that bummed even me out, thanks a lot Nora
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RE: Conciousness vs. Soul
March 1, 2014 at 3:19 pm
(March 1, 2014 at 2:38 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: Well I'm asking for evidence that shows that conciousness ends once we die, that it's all in the brain.
Please demonstrate the existence of just one consciousness that can exist absent a physical brain.
People can get brain damage from physical accidents, and have their personalities completely reset. They become completely different people.
So, damaging part of the brain cause drastic changes in people, yet you believe there is something that is 'us' that is able to lift off of a completely shut down brain and live on. Makes sense, not...
Tell me how that works.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Conciousness vs. Soul
March 1, 2014 at 3:20 pm
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Then why do people believe in the afterlife so confidentally? The VAST majority of the world believes in it in someway.
For example my mom was recently talking to an old man who's wife had just died. He talked about her being in heaven as confidentally as saying she was any place here on earth.
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RE: Conciousness vs. Soul
March 1, 2014 at 3:22 pm
Because people are afraid to DIE..
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RE: Conciousness vs. Soul
March 1, 2014 at 3:22 pm
(March 1, 2014 at 3:20 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: Then why do people believe in the afterlife so confidentally? The VAST majority of the world believes in it in someway.
They believe in it so confidently because they really want it to be true. They know as much as everyone else, that is to say, nothing.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
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RE: Conciousness vs. Soul
March 1, 2014 at 3:23 pm
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I might start a topic on this. Do Atheist concede the possibility that we can know we have a soul? That our minds or souls are capable of sensing that?
Atheism usually is said to be lack of belief in God. But it seems to me that it denies a few things. For example, it would deny many Theists sense of morality that morality needs to be eternally based on God's own existence to be real and what it is. Or that it's possible we can sense God or sense our own souls existing.
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RE: Conciousness vs. Soul
March 1, 2014 at 3:24 pm
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(March 1, 2014 at 3:20 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: Then why do people believe in the afterlife so confidentally? The VAST majority of the world believes in it in someway.
Yes, why do people believe in something for which there is insufficient supporting evidence? Interesting question.
It is a question that requires examination and study on why the mind works that way it does.
Did all those people that used to believe that disease, famine, storms, earthquakes were caused by demons, gods, curses, etc make them correct?
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Conciousness vs. Soul
March 1, 2014 at 3:25 pm
It only states a lack of belief in a god or gods.. thats it..
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RE: Conciousness vs. Soul
March 1, 2014 at 3:26 pm
(March 1, 2014 at 3:24 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Did all those people that used to believe that disease, famine, storms, earthquakes were caused by demons, gods, curses, etc make them correct?
But that was before we had all this scientific evidence.
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RE: Conciousness vs. Soul
March 1, 2014 at 3:27 pm
JL let me ask you some questions about the 'soul'
What happens with monozygotic twins. This is when one egg is fertilized but then splits into two in the early stages of development. This results in identical twins. So how would the whole soul thing work here? Do identical twins share a soul. Or do they get a soul each as soon as the egg has split in two?
And how about people with split personalities? The left and right side of the brain are different people respectively. Two people in one body. Do they have one soul? Or do they have a soul each?
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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