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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
March 25, 2014 at 1:59 am
(March 25, 2014 at 12:09 am)snowtracks Wrote: if human are to exist, this U's enormous mass is critical: one reason is that with less density, stars and planets wouldn't form. the expansion rate would be so rapid that gravity wouldn't have the opportunity to pull together the gas and dust to form them. God doesn't create anything that doesn't serve a purpose.
Are you saying god couldn't have just formed the stars and planets himself, without all this rigmarole about deadly space radiation?
That's the problem here: you're retrofitting design into the universe you see, while completely ignoring the fact that a universe designed from the ground up as one made for life- which is what you're claiming- would look completely different.
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
March 25, 2014 at 2:01 am
(March 25, 2014 at 12:09 am)snowtracks Wrote: God doesn't create anything that doesn't serve a purpose. Just curious, what purpose does God serve again?
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
March 25, 2014 at 4:49 am
If I wanted to design a universe for life... I think I'd go for a Dyson Sphere!
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
March 25, 2014 at 4:53 am
Oh, god, this thread. The title of it is a fail. And it has been active for SO long and gone on for 83 pages.
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
March 25, 2014 at 4:55 am
snowtracks why did god design Schizophrenia and Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis. For what purpose?
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
March 25, 2014 at 11:55 pm
(March 25, 2014 at 1:59 am)Esquilax Wrote: (March 25, 2014 at 12:09 am)snowtracks Wrote: if human are to exist, this U's enormous mass is critical: one reason is that with less density, stars and planets wouldn't form. the expansion rate would be so rapid that gravity wouldn't have the opportunity to pull together the gas and dust to form them. God doesn't create anything that doesn't serve a purpose.
Are you saying god couldn't have just formed the stars and planets himself, without all this rigmarole about deadly space radiation?
That's the problem here: you're retrofitting design into the universe you see, while completely ignoring the fact that a universe designed from the ground up as one made for life- which is what you're claiming- would look completely different.
the U was designed according to fixed physical laws and entire U function according to those laws. from genesis, God surveyed his creation and labeled it "very good" which implies nature manifested appropriate design for fulfillment of its purpose and as such isn't designed for ultimate perfection. one purpose is a demonstration of good over evil, another life over death. free will, will denigrate God very good creation over time["bondage of decay", (entropy - 2'nd law of thermo.)]. after the demonstration of good over evil, the U has an ending in finite time, and will be rolled up like a scroll and vanish in a burst of extreme heat. but again, this will not be the end of God's created spiritual being (human being, and angels)...God asked Job, “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation … and all the angels shouted for joy?” (Job 38:4,7).
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
March 26, 2014 at 12:10 am
(March 25, 2014 at 11:55 pm)snowtracks Wrote: the U was designed according to fixed physical laws and entire U function according to those laws. from genesis, God surveyed his creation and labeled it "very good" which implies nature manifested appropriate design for fulfillment of its purpose and as such isn't designed for ultimate perfection. one purpose is a demonstration of good over evil, another life over death. free will, will denigrate God very good creation over time["bondage of decay", (entropy - 2'nd law of thermo.)]. after the demonstration of good over evil, the U has an ending in finite time, and will be rolled up like a scroll and vanish in a burst of extreme heat. but again, this will not be the end of God's created spiritual being (human being, and angels)...God asked Job, “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation … and all the angels shouted for joy?” (Job 38:4,7).
Translation: Assertion, assertion, assertion, bible verse! Are you convinced yet? 
And Snowy, just what the fuck do you have against the word "universe"? 
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
March 26, 2014 at 9:22 am
(March 25, 2014 at 12:09 am)snowtracks Wrote: God doesn't create anything that doesn't serve a purpose.
That makes sense. The question is, did he create smallpox from the very beginning, or at some later point?
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
March 26, 2014 at 11:45 am
(March 25, 2014 at 12:09 am)snowtracks Wrote: if human are to exist, this U's enormous mass is critical: one reason is that with less density, stars and planets wouldn't form. the expansion rate would be so rapid that gravity wouldn't have the opportunity to pull together the gas and dust to form them. God doesn't create anything that doesn't serve a purpose.
Can you not spell 'universe'? Here: U N I V E R S E
And when and for what purpose did God create these?
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
March 26, 2014 at 11:08 pm
(March 26, 2014 at 9:22 am)Tonus Wrote: (March 25, 2014 at 12:09 am)snowtracks Wrote: God doesn't create anything that doesn't serve a purpose.
That makes sense. The question is, did he create smallpox from the very beginning, or at some later point?
from a resource prospective: disease, wars, and famine control population.
again, earth and universe weren't designed for ultimate perfection. God's plan doesn't include keeping all pain, suffering, and all expression of sin from coming into existence; the garden of eden wasn't secured under lock and key. if sin (which grow into evil) and its effect continued forever, then there would be a real cogent argument against God's nature and even His existence, but both physical and mental suffering is temporary.
also there's human involvement like 1) improper hygiene - God laid out health law practices and instructions for quarantines in leviticus. 2) making poor choices or engaging in sinful behavior which has consequences including disease.
free will has cost and benefits.
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