The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave

[JesusHChrist]

What I never understand is why one brand of theist will say "Mohamed split the moon? Bonkers!" and another theist will, completely with a straight face, believe Jesus was born of a virgin, walked on water and rose from the dead.

And, they will both think Scientology is absolutely, bat-shit crazy, and yet not recognizing their own beliefs are no less bat-shit crazy.

My mythology can beat up your mythology!

[Minimalist]

Yeah..................

[ShaMan]

Peter requested to be crucified upside down.

Yes, according to the tradition, he requested it. BUT... NOT for the reason Christians believe (that Peter did it because he was 'unworthy' of being martyred like his [Lord]). It was to demonstrate to the followers of Jesus that ALL they were doing was contrary to the message Jesus had preached. It was to serve as a sign to Christians to re-think the message of Jesus, and to turn it on it's head to learn the real message. You see, just like the first century Christians, The Christians of today have their entire doctrine upside-down. Sorry Rev

On a side note:

I highly recommend San Pedro to Christians. It often opens up the 'Kingdom' for them at last. I've seen Christians healed of their own religion by consuming this sacred plant

Oh look... St. Peter has a plant with him

[ThomM]

Many people have taken the title of Christian but never experienced regeneration. If you were truly regenerated I doubt you would become an atheist. No offense.

It will be hilarious if you ever become an atheist. But, I digress.

I take it being 'regenerated' is not something that shows over the interwebz, but something we have to take your word for. Doesn't that make claiming it kind of useless?

Actually - the term "regenerated" is one of the NEWER ideas brought to the religion from the born again cults - all of whom are heretics to the main religion anyway

ANd that is the main problem with xtianity - it is a collection of over 60,000 different "religions" held together only by the name of one of their beliefs

And if YOU want to believe ANYTHING - there will likely be a cult of the religion that will include that - including a number that include animal sacrifice - and Voodoo. SO - xtianity is ANYTHING you can name and the bible is whatever they decide it means - even if it never actually says the things they claim.

If you are into Voodoo Dolls - there is an xtianity for you!!!!

However - the bible specifically says that these religions are all FALSE and only the one universal religion of ROME is the true xtianity = and ALL others are false.

Of course - the bible ALSO says that the christ - as well as Moses - and most other such - are FALSE prophets.
Deuteronomy specifically says that if anyone says something that DOES not come true - they are false prophets and should be ignored.
THe christ - on LOTS of quotes - said that there would be some among the people he was speaking to - who WOULD NOT DIE before he came again in glory.

I dare any Xtian to produce a single person from the supposed time of the christ that is still alive. Don't not try to explain this away - because that proves you are wrong.

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The "historical" christ is NOTHING more than a religious MYTH no more true that Hercules - or Zeus. WE have not a single mention of him in any document of his supposed time. NONE at all

In fact - we have more proof of LOTS of gods - especially those of the Egyptian Dynasties - who we have their remains - writings - and even remains of their families. So - if the gods of egypt could leave behind a record - why couldn't the christ? Obvious - he is a created myth.

[ShaMan]

THe christ - on LOTS of quotes - said that there would be some among the people he was speaking to - who WOULD NOT DIE before he came again in glory.

It's misunderstood by Christians, atheists, and agnostics alike. The spirit of that teaching is that there are some among this [age] (this current developmental stage of human-kind) who would not taste death (experience a spiritual sleep) prior to Christ (spiritual realms) returning in glory (providing an individual with a spiritual awakening). The bible is an esoteric text, and in the wrong hands it can produce all kinds of error and destruction (as history has proven well).

[Minimalist]

It's misunderstood by Christians, atheists, and agnostics alike.

Why does a 'god' need you to explain his shit for him? You'd think he could do a better job of communicating.

Frankly, it looks as if you are embarrassed by the implications of that verse and simply pulled that little bit of apologetics out of your ass.

[truthBtold]

THe christ - on LOTS of quotes - said that there would be some among the people he was speaking to - who WOULD NOT DIE before he came again in glory.

It's misunderstood by Christians, atheists, and agnostics alike. The spirit of that teaching is that there are some among this [age] (this current developmental stage of human-kind) who would not taste death (experience a spiritual sleep) prior to Christ (spiritual realms) returning in glory (providing an individual with a spiritual awakening). The bible is an esoteric text, and in the wrong hands it can produce all kinds of error and destruction (as history has proven well).

PROFESSOR SHAMAN. Where did u pull this out of? Ur ass?? This god is to be blamed for not being smart enough to know that errors and destruction will come from this fairy tale book...

[Minimalist]

Yes, according to the tradition, he requested it.

But only according to tradition, which essentially is worthless.

The so-called First Epistle of Clement - most likely a later church forgery - is the only mention of the death of "Peter."

1Clem 5:4
There was Peter who by reason of unrighteous jealousy endured not one
but many labors, and thus having borne his testimony went to
his appointed place of glory.

Note that it not only does not say he was crucified upside down...it does not even say he was martyred. It just indicates that he died.

There is a line in Josephus however in which he notes that Roman soldiers, when the got tired of crucifying jews in the standard method, did nail them up in unusual positions. The author of Acts would have been in a position to know of this writing and perhaps indulged in a little more fanciful writing.

[Bob Kelso]

It's misunderstood by Christians, atheists, and agnostics alike.

Why does a 'god' need you to explain his shit for him? You'd think he could do a better job of communicating.

[ShaMan]

It's misunderstood by Christians, atheists, and agnostics alike.

Why does a 'god' need you to explain his shit for him? You'd think he could do a better job of communicating.

Frankly, it looks as if you are embarrassed by the implications of that verse and simply pulled that little bit of apologetics out of your ass.

You are entitled to your negative opinion - why should you be any different today than you always are?