The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave

[Bob Kelso]

The truth.

I'm a better person than I was as a Christian.

Many people have taken the title of Christian but never experienced regeneration. If you were truly regenerated I doubt you would become an atheist. No offense.

Oh for the love of fuck, now the "No True Scotsman" bullshit? Really?

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Grandiose delusions

Might wanna check that out.


Why? Why would you be 'wretched' without your imaginary friend?

Sin. It is a terrible terrible thing.

...and the "Most Consecutive Non-answers in a Row" award goes to...

Rev. Do me one -just one?- favor, and spare me the inane babble for the next answer;

Why are your beliefs in a god the only thing "saving" you from sin? Do you really need the thought of a deity to hold you back from being an awful shit-stain of a person?

[DarkHorse]

Many people have taken the title of Christian but never experienced regeneration. If you were truly regenerated I doubt you would become an atheist. No offense.

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It makes my blood boil when you christians claim that we couldn't have been real christians if we could turn away. Now you're pissing me off! I was a better christian than you are, I can almost guarantee you that. Who gives you the right to judge anyway? Are you god? Self righteous hypocrites! No wonder so many people can't stand christians.

[ThomM]

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Many people have taken the title of Christian but never experienced regeneration. If you were truly regenerated I doubt you would become an atheist. No offense.

The problem with YOUR statement is that there is NO study art all that even suggests that theists - xtian or otherwise - are somehow any more moral or ethical than people who do not believe in religious fairy tales.

The problem with XTANS like you is that you are trying to claim that xtians who sin magically become atheists - not christians. ANd that is FALSE

An atheist is not a xtian who sins - an atheist is a person who does not accept the claim that gods exist. AND when YOU sin - you do not become an atheist - you are just a sinning xtian

Hitler was a christian - without question - he did what he did because he believed his god was on his side and agreed with him. And if a god - who supposedly is almighty and could have prevented the holocaust - failed to do so - the god is NO more moral or ethical that the actions IT supposedly allows.

WE do not believe because we do not IGNORE the obvious - that claims of prayer working are not true among other things. THERE has NEVER been a scientific study of a statistically significant group of people where prayer had been proven to have had any effect more than chance - with ANY theist group regardless of what god they believe in.

Why is it that - for instance - xtians claim that near death experiences prove their god - when such experiences happen with ALL theist groups - and in every case - the theist sees what he was trained to expect. Why don't atheists see St. Peter? Why do Muslims not see him either?

I do not accept your religion because I can see the basic problem that you fail to
Somehow - you believe that in order for people to be honest and ethical and moral - they must either have a "PRIZE" to get if they are - or there must be an eternal punishment if they are not.

Yet - if a prize is offered - then xtians are not actually being moral - they are being BRIBED and coerced. And they give money to their religion to bribe their god as well! (The bible says give to Caesar what is Caesars and give to god what is god's - so you should be PRAYING for your church - not giving money - and also in the bible -the way to be "saved" is to give ALL your money "TO THE POOR" - not to the religion. HAVE YOU DONE THIS and WHY NOT?

One who does not believe in religion - I know that humans are capable of being moral and ethical for the BEST reason of all - it is the correct thing to do.

[Esquilax]

It makes my blood boil when you christians claim that we couldn't have been real christians if we could turn away. Now you're pissing me off! I was a better christian than you are, I can almost guarantee you that. Who gives you the right to judge anyway? Are you god? Self righteous hypocrites! No wonder so many people can't stand christians.

Christians run the same con that AA does to fudge its numbers: if the program doesn't work for you, it means you were never really a part of it. Whatever else, it's always got to be a problem with you, and never the organization.

[JesusHChrist]

Christians run the same con that AA does to fudge its numbers: if the program doesn't work for you, it means you were never really a part of it. Whatever else, it's always got to be a problem with you, and never the organization.

Sounds like cult behavior.

[LostLocke]

It's just a way to throw in a massive loop-hole in their ideology. Just to make sure all their bases are covered.

[DarkHorse]

Christians run the same con that AA does to fudge its numbers: if the program doesn't work for you, it means you were never really a part of it. Whatever else, it's always got to be a problem with you, and never the organization.

Sounds like cult behavior.

Indeed!

[Mister Agenda]

Many people have taken the title of Christian but never experienced regeneration. If you were truly regenerated I doubt you would become an atheist. No offense.

It will be hilarious if you ever become an atheist. But, I digress.

I take it being 'regenerated' is not something that shows over the interwebz, but something we have to take your word for. Doesn't that make claiming it kind of useless?

[Alex K]

Many people have taken the title of Christian but never experienced regeneration. If you were truly regenerated I doubt you would become an atheist. No offense.

It will be hilarious if you ever become an atheist. But, I digress.

Lol, but I have still hope...

[Thackerie]

... I am not a POE. I am a believer. I back up my claims with my life.

Yup. That's what POEs always say.

Actually, it doesn't matter if this one is a POE or just another gullible fundigelical — he's not going to gain any converts here but it is kind of fun to watch intelligent, rational folks rip his foolishness apart. And it's good that any fence-sitting lurkers who might be reading this thread can clearly see that Rev has absolutely nothing to support his assertions. So, actually he is doing some good by being here.