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RE: Proving the Bible
May 7, 2014 at 3:44 pm
(May 7, 2014 at 3:42 pm)lordofgemini Wrote: (May 7, 2014 at 3:30 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: Wrong.
Causality did not exist prior to space time.
If there is an eternal cause, why must it be an entity?
If there is an eternal cause, why is it impossible the universe is eternal?
Causality did not exist prior to space time? What's the basis of saying this and relevant proof. We take t=0 when space was created right. What about before that.
We are dealing with infinities. Something must be eternal and only that thing is eternal. Whatever that thing is it not an entity like Vishnu. With a face, feet and all because these are created things. That thing is not created. Its everywhere, its not subject to space or time. It beyond that. That thing is uncompareable and is not define able by any analogy.
I thought the big bang took place? Our that's what they taught me. Universe was created then no? If your going to say that god created the universe then I ask what is a god, because in the other thread none of you defined gave a cogent definition of god that would create universe, infact you all gave different definitions.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
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Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
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RE: Proving the Bible
May 7, 2014 at 3:44 pm
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(May 7, 2014 at 3:33 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: (May 7, 2014 at 3:28 pm)lordofgemini Wrote: Whatever you call it Vishnu/magic/God/Allah. There has to be something that was eternal and absolute. That thing is called God. Who created everything out of nothing.
If that's the case then why are all those belief systems mutuallly exclusive? Well every one try recognize God with their mind. God is not religion God is a reality
(May 7, 2014 at 3:44 pm)lordofgemini Wrote: (May 7, 2014 at 3:33 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: If that's the case then why are all those belief systems mutuallly exclusive? Well every one try recognize God with their mind. God is not religion God is a reality
I gave a long ass definition but yeah u probably didn't read.
(May 7, 2014 at 3:36 pm)Beccs Wrote: (May 7, 2014 at 3:28 pm)lordofgemini Wrote: Whatever you call it Vishnu/magic/God/Allah. There has to be something that was eternal and absolute. That thing is called God. Who created everything out of nothing.
Was does there have to be something eternal and absolute?
And, if there was, why do we have to call it "god"? How can there be something then if there was nothing.
I rem a basic physics law. Energy cannot be created or destroyed. Thus energy must be eternal.
Call it whatever u want. The thing that created everything is what we call GOD.
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RE: Proving the Bible
May 7, 2014 at 3:49 pm
(May 7, 2014 at 3:44 pm)lordofgemini Wrote: (May 7, 2014 at 3:33 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: If that's the case then why are all those belief systems mutuallly exclusive? Well every one try recognize God with their mind. God is not religion God is a reality
(May 7, 2014 at 3:44 pm)lordofgemini Wrote: Well every one try recognize God with their mind. God is not religion God is a reality
I gave a long ass definition but yeah u probably didn't read.
No, "god" is a claim.
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RE: Proving the Bible
May 7, 2014 at 3:51 pm
Quote:We are dealing with infinities. Something must be eternal and only that thing is eternal.
Care to provide some some sort of reasoning for that or possibly some evidence?
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RE: Proving the Bible
May 7, 2014 at 3:53 pm
(This post was last modified: May 7, 2014 at 3:54 pm by lordofgemini.)
God is not a claim. God is a reality. There must be some thing eternal. With that how can every thing just come into being. Like if I say there is nothingness and then suddenly there is something. That doesn't make sense. How can nothingness with the passage of time become something.
(May 7, 2014 at 3:51 pm)StuW Wrote: Quote:We are dealing with infinities. Something must be eternal and only that thing is eternal.
Care to provide some some sort of reasoning for that or possibly some evidence?
Can energy be created?
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RE: Proving the Bible
May 7, 2014 at 3:59 pm
(May 7, 2014 at 3:53 pm)lordofgemini Wrote: God is not a claim. God is a reality. There must be some thing eternal. With that how can every thing just come into being. Like if I say there is nothingness and then suddenly there is something. That doesn't make sense. How can nothingness with the passage of time become something.
(May 7, 2014 at 3:51 pm)StuW Wrote: Care to provide some some sort of reasoning for that or possibly some evidence?
Can energy be created?
Even if something is, indeed, eternal, this does not make it an intelligence.
Why diminish such a force by giving it a silly name like "god"?
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RE: Proving the Bible
May 7, 2014 at 3:59 pm
Energy is theoretically created all the time at the event horizons of black holes in the form of Hawking Radiation, but I don't see the connection..
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RE: Proving the Bible
May 7, 2014 at 4:05 pm
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Lol? Are u saying its created out of 'nothing'. Its either that when the mass(which it self is energy) is compressed due to extremely high gravity radiations are released. Or something I didn't read his 'theory' yet
You will see the connection soon. So can energy be CREATED?
(May 7, 2014 at 3:59 pm)Beccs Wrote:
Even if something is, indeed, eternal, this does not make it an intelligence.
Why diminish such a force by giving it a silly name like "god"? So there is something eternal.
U call it magic or whatever , I will call it god. We won't fight on this. This is a totally separate topic...
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RE: Proving the Bible
May 7, 2014 at 4:12 pm
No, I mean it's created out of nothing from "vacuum particle pairs" where one wanders beyond the event horizon and can't annihilate with its partner so continues to exist.. think of it as taking out lots of very very small loans on your "big bang energy debt" (i'm sure Alex can explain it better than me), this happens all the time around you but all the pairs annihilate equalising the energy debt of their creation.
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RE: Proving the Bible
May 7, 2014 at 4:22 pm
Vaccum particles pairs? Do we call that 'nothing'
This is a pretty interesting theory and after my exams will study it 
So anyway. You are saying that energy is being created out of nothing (no black holes from my understanding) without a cause. Just randomly happens. That's a bit absurd and harder to take in then the idea of God.
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