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RE: Argument #2: Evolution Of Species
May 9, 2014 at 1:51 pm
(May 9, 2014 at 1:49 pm)Chuck Wrote: Did you really think the likes of Revs could ever have had another purpose for being here than to preach, using whatever disguise they imagined would help them get through the vigilance of those who have become inured to normal modes of christain proselytizing?
Is that a rethorical question?
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RE: Argument #2: Evolution Of Species
May 9, 2014 at 2:05 pm
(May 9, 2014 at 11:02 am)Chas Wrote: (May 8, 2014 at 2:25 pm)Confused Ape Wrote: Not if you say you're a Spiritualist. Spiritualism is a recognised religion.
And that somehow makes it not nuts?
How can it be nuts if it's a recognised religion? hock:
Where are the snake and mushroom smilies?
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RE: Argument #2: Evolution Of Species
May 9, 2014 at 2:15 pm
(May 9, 2014 at 2:05 pm)Confused Ape Wrote: (May 9, 2014 at 11:02 am)Chas Wrote: And that somehow makes it not nuts?
How can it be nuts if it's a recognised religion? hock:
In a word: Scientology.
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RE: Argument #2: Evolution Of Species
May 9, 2014 at 2:46 pm
(May 9, 2014 at 1:17 am)Revelation777 Wrote:
These scientists were not there, they are trying to piece together a picture, hardly evidence.
Tell me this where we there to see a sperm whale eat a giant squid? Were we there to see dust mites mate? Answer is no? But how do we know it happens? Evidence! Evidence is over eye witness testimony.
Just because organisms have DNA with common genetic materials doesn't prove all species have a common ancestor.
Actually it does. Why? Because it was predicted by science and denied by you guys for years. Now all of a sudden that proves creationism and not evolution, despite the fact you guys tried disproving it for years and failed, then took our evidence and claimed it as your own. So it doesn't prove god because it was never a prediction of you guys, in fact it goes to show creationism has no evidence and just takes evidence it likes without doing any work. Which is anti-scientific
Where did the RNA come from?
I don't know. That must mean the muslims were right. Or the hindus.
What if God created the RNA and DNA in all living things?
Which one? Prove at least a deistic god exist first before you make a bold claim.
THis in not entirely true. http://www.icr.org/article/historic-prim...dy-yields/
Oh I see. There was an intellegent agent behind it. There was an intellegent agent behind the evolution of dog breeds. Does that mean evolution can't happen without humans? Answer is no, look up ring species and see what I mean.
Two views of RNA replication in the early RNA world
A knotty problem...
All the evidence gathered thus far has revealed a great deal about the origin of life, but there is still much to learn. Because of the enormous length of time and the tremendous change that has occurred since then, much of the evidence relevant to origins has been lost and we may never know certain details. Nevertheless, many of the gaps in our knowledge (gaps that seemed unbridgeable just 20 years ago) have been filled in recent years, and continuing research and new technologies hold the promise of more insights. As Ellington puts it, "Origins is a huge knotty problem — but that doesn't mean it's an insoluble one."
It remains a knotty problem, and this whole article doesn't disprove my argument.
All of science disproves your argument. Your arguments are really just copying us. Especially in biology.
He has, He sent His prophets and His Son and man rejected their message and killed them. What more do you want Him to do?
For him to exist first.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOW_Ioi2wtuPa88FvBmnBgQ my youtube
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RE: Argument #2: Evolution Of Species
May 9, 2014 at 4:13 pm
(This post was last modified: May 9, 2014 at 4:15 pm by Revelation777.)
(May 9, 2014 at 12:46 am)eyemixer Wrote: Rev,
Are you intentionally ignoring my question?
If your goal is to communicate, why will you not clarify what a word you are using means when someone does not understand it?
I am not insisting on any particular meaning of the term 'kind', I am asking you what it means since you are the one using it.
If you will not address this I can only assume that you do not want to engage in communication with other people on this message board. (Or maybe I have garnered a particular dislike?)
I had hoped that your goal here was to communicate with others, but if you have no interest in communication please make that clear and I will not bother you by asking again.
Cheers.
I like how AiG says it, if the two animals could breed with each other.
(May 9, 2014 at 1:24 am)Esquilax Wrote: (May 9, 2014 at 1:17 am)Revelation777 Wrote: He has, He sent His prophets and His Son and man rejected their message and killed them. What more do you want Him to do?
But killing Jesus was part of his plan to begin with. I don't actually need a god to perform a sick murder ritual thousands of years before my birth for me. Compared to that, I would think that a conversation would be easy for him; I just don't get why a god of infinite power and knowledge and love, who isn't in any way harmed by my rational disbelief in life, would leap so readily to simply punishing me when I die, rather than just... talking to me.
Talking to anyone.
God gave you a way of escape, He himself offered His life for you. He gave you a free will. The gift is still there for you to receive, but you have to receive it. If not, well, you are on your own.
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RE: Argument #2: Evolution Of Species
May 9, 2014 at 4:16 pm
(May 9, 2014 at 12:29 am)Revelation777 Wrote: (May 8, 2014 at 1:07 pm)Kitanetos Wrote: Can you prove Jesus' claim without accepting it merely on blind, fallible faith?
He changes people's lives.
So no, then.
Thanks.
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Argument #2: Evolution Of Species
May 9, 2014 at 4:17 pm
Sure seems like this argument's been abandoned. Next?
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RE: Argument #2: Evolution Of Species
May 9, 2014 at 4:33 pm
(May 9, 2014 at 4:13 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: God gave you a way of escape, He himself offered His life for you. Does he always overthink things to that degree? Rather inefficient.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould
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RE: Argument #2: Evolution Of Species
May 9, 2014 at 4:41 pm
So kind just means species then?
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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