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RE: Is suicide wrong?
May 25, 2014 at 2:36 pm
It really depends on the context. I don't think this is too broad a topic to just give a flat yes or no to.
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RE: Is suicide wrong?
May 25, 2014 at 2:50 pm
(May 25, 2014 at 1:51 pm)rasetsu Wrote: Simple question, is suicide wrong, morally or otherwise?
I am confused. Why do you ask that question?
I think suicide is very wrong on all levels. It leaves your loved ones to clean up your mess; it leaves them in grief and it makes them accuse themselves for what you have done. If you do not understand how difficult this is to cope with, you have not experienced the death of a loved one where you were responsible for taking care of and dealing with what he or she left behind.
I read an article quite some time ago about suicide prevention. The researchers had asked many suicide survivors about the act itself. A majority of them said that they experienced an acute feeling of regret when they realized that there was no way to stop what was happening. Suicide goes against the basics of human nature.
Almost as bad as attempting it is hinting/threatening to commit suicide. I had an x who did this several times and I was forced to shut her out completely. I regard this as a serious form of mental abuse that is often used as a form of extortion.
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RE: Is suicide wrong?
May 25, 2014 at 2:56 pm
(May 25, 2014 at 1:51 pm)rasetsu Wrote: Simple question, is suicide wrong, morally or otherwise?
Simple answer: No.
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RE: Is suicide wrong?
May 25, 2014 at 2:56 pm
(May 25, 2014 at 2:50 pm)sven Wrote: I think suicide is very wrong on all levels. It leaves your loved ones to clean up your mess; it leaves them in grief and it makes them accuse themselves for what you have done.
So you're against euthanasia in all its forms?
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RE: Is suicide wrong?
May 25, 2014 at 2:59 pm
(May 25, 2014 at 2:50 pm)sven Wrote: I read an article quite some time ago about suicide prevention. The researchers had asked many suicide survivors about the act itself. A majority of them said that they experienced an acute feeling of regret when they realized that there was no way to stop what was happening. Suicide goes against the basics of human nature.
Well, I experienced no such thing. The regret only came later when I could see how much what I had done affected my family.
I like to think that I have a unique perspective on this issue, because not only did I try to commit suicide, I experienced the aftermath of my best friend's suicide. The issue isn't as cut and dry as "it will hurt family members therefore it is wrong." Sometimes pain can become unbearable and loved ones have to accept the fact that the pain they will feel from the loss pales in comparison to the pain that drove the person to commit suicide in the first place.
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RE: Is suicide wrong?
May 25, 2014 at 3:10 pm
(May 25, 2014 at 1:51 pm)rasetsu Wrote: Simple question, is suicide wrong, morally or otherwise? I think it depends on the situation. I think suicide could be morally wrong.
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RE: Is suicide wrong?
May 25, 2014 at 3:12 pm
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(May 25, 2014 at 2:50 pm)sven Wrote: I read an article quite some time ago about suicide prevention. The researchers had asked many suicide survivors about the act itself. A majority of them said that they experienced an acute feeling of regret when they realized that there was no way to stop what was happening. Suicide goes against the basics of human nature.
I attempted suicide when I was a senior in high school, and I can tell you that to this day the first 30 seconds after I swallowed that bottle was the happiest moment of my life. Years of wishing I had the courage to do it finally paid off, I was blissful that I finally did it. After that 30 seconds it became the worst feeling I've ever had in my life. But that's not to say that people dont stay happy with the choice to fully go through with it. You said a majority, but not all, and you can't ask the people that actually committed suicide how happy they are with their decision.
(May 25, 2014 at 2:50 pm)sven Wrote: Almost as bad as attempting it is hinting/threatening to commit suicide. I had an x who did this several times and I was forced to shut her out completely. I regard this as a serious form of mental abuse that is often used as a form of extortion.
I completely agree with that. I had an ex that used to do the same thing to me. She was a real crazy one though, especially baby crazy. She once told me she hoped someone would rape her so she could have a kid. Bounced outta there real quick.
But here's the thing though, if that is mental abuse/extortion, then saying this:
(May 25, 2014 at 2:50 pm)sven Wrote: I think suicide is very wrong on all levels. It leaves your loved ones to clean up your mess; it leaves them in grief and it makes them accuse themselves for what you have done. If you do not understand how difficult this is to cope with, you have not experienced the death of a loved one where you were responsible for taking care of and dealing with what he or she left behind.
...to someone with suicidal thoughts is the same thing in the opposite direction.
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RE: Is suicide wrong?
May 25, 2014 at 3:18 pm
(May 25, 2014 at 2:50 pm)sven Wrote: I think suicide is very wrong on all levels. It leaves your loved ones to clean up your mess; it leaves them in grief and it makes them accuse themselves for what you have done.
Silly humans, behaving so irrationally emotional.
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RE: Is suicide wrong?
May 25, 2014 at 3:29 pm
(May 25, 2014 at 3:12 pm)FlyingNarwhal Wrote: But here's the thing though, if that is mental abuse/extortion, then saying this:
(May 25, 2014 at 2:50 pm)sven Wrote: I think suicide is very wrong on all levels. It leaves your loved ones to clean up your mess; it leaves them in grief and it makes them accuse themselves for what you have done. If you do not understand how difficult this is to cope with, you have not experienced the death of a loved one where you were responsible for taking care of and dealing with what he or she left behind.
...to someone with suicidal thoughts is the same thing in the opposite direction.
It's the same with saying suicide is inherently selfish. It's selfish to think that someone else should suffer so you don't have to cope with their loss.
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RE: Is suicide wrong?
May 25, 2014 at 3:42 pm
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(May 25, 2014 at 1:51 pm)rasetsu Wrote: Simple question, is suicide wrong, morally or otherwise?
I'd say it depends on which perspective you look at it from. From a naturalistic perspective it is wrong. I believe that we're here solely as a consequence of nature. Nature has made it so that we generally desire to advance our genes. Killing one's self goes against this. So it would be wrong.
From a liberal perspective you can do what you want. You can go ahead and even take your life. So here there would be no problem.
On a moral basis it would be wrong for one to take their life if they had dependents. At least wait for your children to come of age and be in a position where they can fend for themselves. Suicide while you still have responsibilities is wrong.
Of all these where do I lie? I'm gonna go with liberal. Not quite sure how to say this but I've been on a low for a long time. I've.probably been depressed but I don't wanna admit it to myself. I mean it's me. How can I get depressed? I'm rock solid! Na that's bullshit. Never thought in my wildest nightmares that I'd have suicidal thoughts. And then I did. Wow. Life be one hell of a fucking ride. If suicide was as easy as pressing a button on your body that couldn't be pressed by anyone but one's self. This would of course be a painless way to go. It'd be like falling into a deep sleep except you wouldn't ever wake up or actually be dreaming. I think I would've pressed that button already. I wonder how many people would press that button?
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