An unorthodox belief in God.

[mickiel]

Oh no, I believe in evolution and agree with it, just a bit differently.

If you believe in theistically guided evolution, you're not my enemy. People who want to teach my children that dinosaurs and humans lived together because they think it's a problem for their faith if it's true are my enemy when it comes to science education.QUOTE

Oh I believe in evolution, all things change, I just do not believe humans evolved from apes. Apes are apes and always have been, humans are human and always have been.

We can bypass evolution and get into atheism as a proof of God. I do not believe atheism would exist without god, I really don't. One poster here said it pre existed theism, and a mind devoid of awareness of god, is thus atheist. I agree with that, primordial man was atheist, and I cannot see then theism arising out of a world of atheism.

Why would it?

Why wouldn't it? Ideas catch on, especially ones that benefit the people who want to be in charge.

It had to be part of a plan of god to have theism and atheism.

Seriously?

I think god planed it all. atheist are atheist, because they are supposed to be, theist are theist, because they are supposed to be. gays the same reasoning, culture, race, we are what we were supposed to be. And god wanted both to exist in humanity.

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I have seen this before.

No shit. And you'll keep seeing it until you actually provide evidence.

When will you see the evidence?

[ThePinsir]

I know its right, but he keeps saying I am not backing up what I say, because he NEEDS to divert this truth away, and give the illusion that I am giving no evidence.

I have seen this before.

Ok, some advice.

Next time you say "X is proof of god" -

tell us WHY!!

[Cato]

When will you see the evidence?

When you provide it. You have yet to demonstrate the validity of anything you have asserted here.

[mickiel]

No, I can't see it. Minds completely unconscious of a god or gods, why and how would consciousness of a god emerge?

Through the magic of making things up. Every generation of children devises new bogeymen, it doesn't mean they're real or that they're 'conscious of them' in the sense that they perceive houses and people and animals.

Well on second thought, if you accept that consciousness could emerge from absolute nothing, then I understand you're rationale.

I would like to see your proof that absolute nothingness is something that could possibly 'exist'. In physics, there doesn't seem to be any alternative to 'stuff existing'. I don't beleve there ever was or could be 'absolute nothing'.

In my view, there is no need for cursing. It ruins a good point.

In my view, people who try to dictate how other people speak have control issues.

I don't believe in absolute nothing, and I agree it never was or could ever be nothing.

[Simon Moon]

When will you see the evidence?

Evidence can be demonstrated to be true.

I can claim that light travels at 186,000 miles per second. And that claim can be demonstrated.

How would you go about demonstrating any of your claims that you have posted?

[Rampant.A.I.]

Really? Did you read Esq's post at all? Talk about pot calling the kettle black. Please, address Esquilax's point, that simply saying something doesn't make it true. You have to back it up.

I backed it up with a fact, its a fact that evolution cannot create anything! You are dismissing that fact. Creation requires creator, new life requires that it came from something already alive! Intelligence breeds intelligence. Humans give birth to humans. This is back up which you cannot see, just as Christians cannot see there is no such thing as hell; goes right over their heads!

That's not a fact.

It's an admission of total ignorance of what evolution is.

[Mister Agenda]

Life only exist here, that is where we are at today, there is absolutely zero evidence of human life anywhere else.

Instead of just accusing you of making an argument from ignorance, I'm going to explain what one is. An argument from ignorance is when you try to enlist an unknown to support your argument. If there is life elsewhere, we don't even have the technology to collect evidence to know it. Our lack of knowledge of life on other planets doesn't mean it isn't there. It does mean it's premature to say it definitely IS there when we don't really understand the odds of life occurring yet. I presume by 'human', you mean 'comparable to human' and that's a whole nother kettle of fish. For all we know, our galaxy could have millions of planets with life, and only one with a civilization.

And that is just another proof of god; it was planned; its deliberate; its anthropic; its logical; its reasonable;

its academically pointing again to god.

People with good arguments don't have to tell everyone how good they are, they just show them. The 'less-extended' anthropic principle just means that since we exist, we should not expect to find anything that would prevent our existing...it is over-extending the principle to claim that since we exist, the universe was made for us. Interestingly, if we found something that contradictted the weak anthropic principle, it would be the strongest evidence I've ever heard of for God. The idea of God becomes a lot more attractive if we find we live in a universe in which we can't possibly exist. Instead, we live in a universe where we can arise naturally.

I have read the rules, I am doing my best with what I understand. If you do not like the way I debate, then I can withdraw my threads and move on.

You can move on, if you wish. The threads do not belong to you, they belong to this forum. We are not guests on your thread, we are all guests on this forum.

[Welsh cake]

I did not want to put this in the religious section, because I am not religious.

Fine, you're an irreligious believer in god.

*waits for the moderators to move this thread to the religious section where it belongs* ^^

[Rampant.A.I.]

Well technically, he's a divine Trinitarian solipsist, he just doesn't know it.

[Confused Ape]

I think god planed it all. atheist are atheist, because they are supposed to be,

So why are you on an atheist forum trying to convince atheists that god exists? After all, according to your belief, you're trying to interfere with god's plan because he wants us to be atheists.