An unorthodox belief in God.

[Ravenshire]

What's it feel like when you have to hide?

Hello. I'm right here. Still waiting for some actual evidence for any of your bullshit claims.

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Once again:
http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/genera...l-113.html

You keep posting the same drivel and expecting it to magically turn into evidence of something other than your ignorance.

Wow!

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I am tempted to give you my view of evolution, but it will only roll off you like water on a duck's back.

Bullshit usually does.

Seriously though. Let's hear it.

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[emphasis is mine]

An yet, in your arrogance, you expect us to blindly accept this claim while not even considering ours.

So, why can't the universe have created itself. After all, you're claiming that god created itself.

Because creation requires a mind, the universe has none.
It requires planning, the universe itself has no self or plan
It requires raw beginning birth power, the universe has none
It requires laws, the universe had none before it was to be
It requires reason, the universe cannot reason of itself
It requires ingredients, the universe prior had none
It requires knowledge, the universe has no knowledge
It requires experience, the universe had no experience
It requires water, the universe had no water
It requires matter, the universe had no matter
It requires gravity, the universe had none
It requires chemicals, the universe had no chemicals
It required power to be maintained, the universe just had no such power.

Its academic, there must be a God!

Wow. Another list of bare assertions with no evidence to back them up. I really am starting to be impressed by your dogged determination to prove absolutely nothing.

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Riddle me this, how could abundant space come from absolute nothing?

Actually, evidence for this has already been presented. Since you stubbornly choose to stick to ignorance, I'll present it again:
"A Universe from Nothing" by Lawrence Krauss.
Read it. You might learn something.

How could 20 atheist handle Mickiel?

Easily.

Absolute nothing. A poem is then inspired;

Don't throw any new atheist at me
far too young and still on the tree
give me what's ripe and ready to fall
and not just one of them-
send me them all!

Pure drivel. Like everything else you've posted.

[mickiel]

I am tempted to give you my view of evolution, but it will only roll off you like water on a duck's back.

Okay, bring it on.

This should be fun.

I am in poetic mood now, forgive me, yea, indulge me;

Evolution is a creation of God, like pupi to butterfly
change is all

I give atheistforums the right to this piece
change that nature could never lease
like birth invested and destined to repeat
how could mindless matter accomplish this feat
life from life, each after its own kind
intelligence that could only originate from a mind

Evolution is retroactive change
the currency is God's alone
whatever his name

a gradual process to a more complex form
just not animal to human
from same kind it is born

Now don't get mad atheist or vent
Evolution is development, but the kind that was sent

I'll stop now because this may be all you can take
we are not continuous with the idiot hierarchy of speechless apes!

[Ravenshire]

I am in poetic mood now, forgive me, yea, indulge me;

Evolution is a creation of God, like pupi to butterfly
change is all

I give atheistforums the right to this piece
change that nature could never lease
like birth invested and destined to repeat
how could mindless matter accomplish this feat
life from life, each after its own kind
intelligence that could only originate from a mind

Evolution is retroactive change
the currency is God's alone
whatever his name

a gradual process to a more complex form
just not animal to human
from same kind it is born

Now don't get mad atheist or vent
Evolution is development, but the kind that was sent

I'll stop now because this may be all you can take
we are not continuous with the idiot hierarchy of speechless apes!

More pure drivel.

Read a freakin' book (other than the buy-bull)!

[Rampant.A.I.]

:roflol:

We're having trouble with you?!?

:roflol: :roflol:
:roflol: :roflol:

Riddle me this, how could abundant space come from absolute nothing?

Don't know, only creationists claim this.

How could 20 atheist handle Mickiel?

A child could disprove your claims by asking you for proof.

Absolute nothing. A poem is then inspired;

Don't throw any new atheist at me
far too young and still on the tree
give me what's ripe and ready to fall
and not just one of them-
send me them all!

[mickiel]

Gentlemen, its been grand, seeing the atheist on the run.

Tomorrow then, if you dare, come one come all, take all you can bare

but know this, each day I pound harder

and each day I will get smarter

but I am not going to hurt you , this I confirm,

I guess I just like to see how good you squirm

I know you can take it, numbers are on you're side

That's why I know, none of you can hide!

Peace
and good night ladies and gentlemen. We'll have a go tomorrow.

[The Valkyrie]

Okay, bring it on.

This should be fun.

I am in poetic mood now, forgive me, yea, indulge me;

Evolution is a creation of God, like pupi to butterfly
change is all

I give atheistforums the right to this piece
change that nature could never lease
like birth invested and destined to repeat
how could mindless matter accomplish this feat
life from life, each after its own kind
intelligence that could only originate from a mind

Evolution is retroactive change
the currency is God's alone
whatever his name

a gradual process to a more complex form
just not animal to human
from same kind it is born

Now don't get mad atheist or vent
Evolution is development, but the kind that was sent

I'll stop now because this may be all you can take
we are not continuous with the idiot hierarchy of speechless apes!

So, bullshit poetry for a bullshit claim.

I name thee Troll.

A bad one at that.

Now, run along, child, the adults need to talk.

[Jackalope]

Gentlemen, its been grand, seeing the atheist on the run.

Bloody fucking hell, what hubris.

[Eye of God]

You sound like one of those mislead deists. That's a shame. The one TRUE God is not someone to take litely. You should get your heart right as quickly as you can. The Lord Jesus Christ will discard you as quickly as he does the atheists who deny him.

I don't believe in that jesus, I believe in the one who came here for ALL humans and is not going to leave any out. I do not adhere to the Christian view of jesus.

So you're a 'customized' christian. You're like the worst thing imaginable in the eyes of our Creator. You pick and choose the parts you like and ignore the laws of God. You lead these atheists further from salvation with your lies and your dirty compromises. Your punishment will likely be far greater than theirs because you ruin the name of Jesus Christ and the gift he has given.

[The Valkyrie]

Gentlemen, its been grand, seeing the atheist on the run.

Bloody fucking hell, what hubris.

Nah, just a troll.

[Esquilax]

Mickie, I'll do you an enormous favor by ignoring the utter pretension you've shown over the past few pages and just focus on a couple of arguments in quick succession that caught my attention.

First, in your last reply to me you admit that "I don't know" answers are a legitimate course for us as much as they are for you; doesn't that completely capsize your claim that consciousness couldn't have evolved? Right now, the answer to the question of consciousness, as it is for the origins of the universe, life, and a lot of the other things you've attributed to god, would be better fitted to an "I don't know" answer, from all of us, and that's it. Because the truth is, you don't know the answer to those questions either, you're just pretending you do because you've got a pre-drawn conclusion you want to fit it all into. But now that we're allowing the correct answer- that nobody knows- into this, there's no excuse to be pushing god into those gaps in our knowledge. That's you not playing by the rules you want to set for everyone else.

I don't know the answers to those questions, and neither do you. That's it. Full stop.

Right?

(Be warned, if you say you do know, I'll be expecting an exhaustive, fully explanatory answer from you about how god crafted consciousness, the universe, and life. Because those are "how" questions, and just providing a "what" answer won't do, even if you could support it with evidence, which you haven't so far.)

As to your claims about animals not having consciousness, you're mistaking intelligence for consciousness. Just because animals aren't intelligent enough to speak our language- and hell, that's a bit arrogant of you, expecting that they either speak in a human tongue or they can't communicate at all, isn't it?- doesn't mean they aren't conscious; hell, there are plenty of humans who couldn't tell you half the things in your list for one reason or another, are they not conscious either?

The science demonstrates consciousness: what business do you have outright denying that?

Oh, and I know I said I wouldn't mention it, but please, stop with the poetry.