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#61
RE: So far...
June 12, 2014 at 4:15 pm
Quote:well, when you suck an asshole, your left with a shitty taste.

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June 12, 2014 at 4:24 pm (This post was last modified: June 12, 2014 at 4:27 pm by Whateverist.)
(June 12, 2014 at 11:45 am)Clueless Morgan Wrote:
(June 12, 2014 at 5:27 am)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: I guess I miss the sense of security which comes from believing there is a Plan. Praying for me was a bit like fight club. When it was over, nothing was resolved, but the problems seemed smaller.

If prayer was a coping mechanism you used to make your problems seem more manageable (by making them seem smaller), it sounds like you need to find a new coping mechanism.

Or at least a personal assistant.
(June 12, 2014 at 3:53 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: The premise, God, was a lie. But the comfort it offered was real. Real comfort from an untrue belief.

Make sense?

Absolutely. No way. Not sure. Huh?
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#63
RE: So far...
June 12, 2014 at 4:43 pm
(June 12, 2014 at 3:53 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: The premise, God, was a lie. But the comfort it offered was real. Real comfort from an untrue belief.

Make sense?

I'm afraid not, because if you used to believe that God was a lie, then that means that you didn't actually believe in God, and thus you weren't a Christian as you claimed to be, nor a theist, for that matter.

Also, I think it is psychologically impossible that you are able to feel real comfort in "believing" in something which you think is a lie. That just doesn't go together.
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RE: So far...
June 12, 2014 at 5:09 pm
Ray, that's why he's in trouble, now.
Back then, he believed and felt the comfort of that belief.
Now, he doesn't believe and can't come back to that comfort.
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RE: So far...
June 12, 2014 at 5:14 pm
(June 12, 2014 at 5:09 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Ray, that's why he's in trouble, now.
Back then, he believed and felt the comfort of that belief.
Now, he doesn't believe and can't come back to that comfort.

THINK YOU!

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Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken."
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RE: So far...
June 12, 2014 at 5:18 pm
Yes, I think! Tongue
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June 12, 2014 at 5:25 pm (This post was last modified: June 12, 2014 at 5:25 pm by Jackalope.)
I have to agree with Morgan - you've been accustomed to having a coping mechanism that you no longer can depend on. Have you thought about seeing a psychologist? It's not an uncommon problem.
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RE: So far...
June 12, 2014 at 5:42 pm
I remember when I deconverted officially in my heart, it was only a few months before Christmas. My family asked me if I even was going to celebrate Christmas and I said, "Why wouldn't I?". To this day I have little angel things in my house; after hiding them for awhile I came to the realization that 'I love Angels!'. I'm still me. I don't have to be anyone but me. When I think about the kids I live with, the little girls inner torment about demons and the need for Real angels--suffices to solidify in my mind how free I finally am. Protector angels are a lovely concept when you don't attach all the mindfuck to it.

I think my point with this was that you should keep your chin up, because your path has only just begun and its a little rocky at first.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!

Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.

Dead wrong.  The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.

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I say again:  No exceptions.  Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it.  As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.

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RE: So far...
June 12, 2014 at 5:45 pm
(June 12, 2014 at 5:09 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Back then, he believed and felt the comfort of that belief.

But he just said that he believed that God was a lie (a "comforting lie" but still a lie), and that's why I don't see how that constitutes a genuine belief in God.

That's what I was getting at.
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RE: So far...
June 12, 2014 at 5:49 pm
(June 12, 2014 at 5:45 pm)Rayaan Wrote:
(June 12, 2014 at 5:09 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Back then, he believed and felt the comfort of that belief.

But he just said that he believed that God was a lie (a "comforting lie" but still a lie), and that's why I don't see how that constitutes a genuine belief in God.

That's what I was getting at.

No, I now believe God to be a lie. Back in the day I didn't.
"Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken."
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