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he knows im right, but is still a christian?
June 18, 2014 at 11:29 pm
One of my best friends is a christian, and we have discussions about it all the time. I have told him about the evidence for evolution, and the big bang. We have discussed the contradictions in the bible as well as the christian god having impossible characteristics. He is aware that I am right, but for some reason he just tells me to ask god why science is right, and the bible is fucked up. Why is he like this when he knows im right? How do I get him to stop believing that shit?
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RE: he knows im right, but is still a christian?
June 18, 2014 at 11:34 pm
Watch South Park episode "All About Mormons".
The speech the Mormon kid gives Stan (IIRC) at the end (just before he says 'suck my balls') wraps up the whole gestalt of believers persisting in their belief.
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RE: he knows im right, but is still a christian?
June 18, 2014 at 11:44 pm
(June 18, 2014 at 11:29 pm)KatiePrivett Wrote: One of my best friends is a christian, and we have discussions about it all the time. I have told him about the evidence for evolution, and the big bang. We have discussed the contradictions in the bible as well as the christian god having impossible characteristics. He is aware that I am right, but for some reason he just tells me to ask god why science is right, and the bible is fucked up. Why is he like this when he knows im right? How do I get him to stop believing that shit?
You don't. Clearly he's invested in the idea.
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RE: he knows im right, but is still a christian?
June 18, 2014 at 11:45 pm
My best friend is a baptist.
We don't talk about religion. It helps a lot.
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RE: he knows im right, but is still a christian?
June 18, 2014 at 11:48 pm
It can be difficult for those brought up in a religion to change their views.
Some creationists don't accept anyone who accepts evolution to be "true Christians™".
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"You did WHAT? With WHO? WHERE???"
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RE: he knows im right, but is still a christian?
June 19, 2014 at 12:04 am
The Mormons advocate what they call the truth test. You read the book of Mormon and then you ask God or your soul if it's true. The Christians have a similar plan----read the Bible with an open heart (meaning a heart willing to be fooled). The only way to believe is to invest in the idea. They are both recipes for deluding yourself. Unfortunately, they often work.
Providing a happy example of not believing, questioning irrational assumptions, providing evidence the contrary---- that's all you can do. That and stay a friend.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
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RE: he knows im right, but is still a christian?
June 19, 2014 at 12:17 am
What makes you certain that he is aware you are right? Perhaps he just says you're right because he doesn't feel he can defend his beliefs well enough.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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RE: he knows im right, but is still a christian?
June 19, 2014 at 12:18 am
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(June 18, 2014 at 11:34 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Watch South Park episode "All About Mormons".
The speech the Mormon kid gives Stan (IIRC) at the end (just before he says 'suck my balls') wraps up the whole gestalt of believers persisting in their belief.
I'll make sure to show that to him  i never thought to look to south park for advice on this subject
(June 19, 2014 at 12:17 am)Faith No More Wrote: What makes you certain that he is aware you are right? Perhaps he just says you're right because he doesn't feel he can defend his beliefs well enough. Could be, however he was homeschool by a very religious family, and has studied the bible thoroughly. This is what makes me think he knows im right. He is also a very assertive person, and does not argue with me.
(June 19, 2014 at 12:04 am)Jenny A Wrote: The Mormons advocate what they call the truth test. You read the book of Mormon and then you ask God or your soul if it's true. The Christians have a similar plan----read the Bible with an open heart (meaning a heart willing to be fooled). The only way to believe is to invest in the idea. They are both recipes for deluding yourself. Unfortunately, they often work.
Providing a happy example of not believing, questioning irrational assumptions, providing evidence the contrary---- that's all you can do. That and stay a friend.
Thankyou, this is a very helpful response. I hate how valued blind faith, and ignorance are among christians. He is very smart though, I think he'll get there it just drives me nuts knowing he's been fooled
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RE: he knows im right, but is still a christian?
June 19, 2014 at 12:35 am
(June 19, 2014 at 12:18 am)KatiePrivett Wrote: Could be, however he was homeschool by a very religious family, and has studied the bible thoroughly. This is what makes me think he knows im right. He is also a very assertive person, and does not argue with me.
If he was homeschooled, I doubt you've truly penetrated the indoctrination. He's been taught that any ideas contradicting his religion are evil and threaten his eternal soul, so I would guess that at best you've sowed some seeds of doubt.
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RE: he knows im right, but is still a christian?
June 19, 2014 at 12:36 am
(June 18, 2014 at 11:45 pm)Minimalist Wrote: My best friend is a baptist.
We don't talk about religion. It helps a lot. i have people in my life I cant talk about religion with. I avoid making debates personal, but many people cant. They get all fuckin worked up, and but hurt.
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