Why knocking is so important.

[Whateverist]

I probably shouldn't knock it if I haven't tried it. But I don't intend to try it and I still really want to ridicule it, so what should I do?

Didn't A.S.K., won't tell.

[pocaracas]

Again, the process failed for me. It failed for everyone else in this thread.

Actually, I never even tried it!
I saw right through the psych therapy non-sense and dismissed it entirely.

"Assume there is a god" -> "search that god" -> "if you can't find it, you need to tweak your concept of god" -> "assume this god exists" -> "search that god" -> (repeat ad nauseum)

There's a funny thing about human psychology that politicians discovered a long time ago:

The BIG LIE

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it" often attributed to Joseph Goebbels, but it's not really his.
There's something similar in Hitler's Mein Kampf, about what he claimed to be a strategem of Jewish lies using "the principle & which is quite true in itself & that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily,"

Now the creepy part, this also applies to the self!
"If you tell a lie enough times, it becomes the truth"
Many a trauma arise from such behavior.

[Tobie]

So if you were single and I told you to keep trying to find 'the one,' and I used my experience as a guid line for the direction I gave you, this to you would be an illogical process? If I pointed to all the other happily married people and tell you many if not all of them had to let go their idea of this fantasy of the perfect mate and accept the reality of who their partner really was. Is This to you is also an "illogical process?"

Again, you fail to understand why you cannot compare people and deities. People are known to exist - so if hypothetically you were to give me advice on finding "the one" then I could see if you had a partner yourself, so I could assess whether it would be worth it to follow your advice.

I cannot see the god you claim to have a personal relationship, and you consistently fail to produce any evidence whatsoever that it exists, so based on that, why would I bother following your method to find a god that we doubt exists, when you cannot show your method works?

If you are not married by the time you are 29 do you give up? Why would you keep looking?

Once again, we can see that other people have had success in looking for a partner, so there is a reason to keep on looking. You have given us nothing to suggest that about your, or any, god.

Their are many "uninhabited" houses that people knock at. I myself made that point. That was the point of continuing the asking and seeking.

Still evading the point. How can you not see that your method is irrational?

[Drich]

What did they say?

Who is they? The fairy queen?

She told me fairies are eternal, that they live outside time and space so they cannot be detected, they created this universe, and that when we die we all go up to the big fairy ring in the sky. Unless we're naughty and deny their existence, in which case we're sent to Captain Hook's ship to be tortured for eternity.

Seems legit to me.

I think your god must've been busy or something? Perhaps helping somebody find their car keys or score a goal, or maybe just watching some children starve...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIeY7J9kjg0

Then maybe follow that for a while and see how it works out for you metering out the same level of scrutiny you have here. If you can bring yourself to test this 'deity' as you do with the God of the bible and she fails then check that one off the list and reapply yourself.

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The analogies don't really work when you're talking about an omnipotent being. It requires virtually zero effort for an omnipotent being to come along and say hello to everyone individually. For a human being to say hello to 7 billiob people takes a lot of effort and time.

Theist Logic goes like this:

1. God exists
2. Not everyone seems to believe God exists.
3. Therefore those that don't believe are either doing something wrong, or lying. (It could be that God is doing something wrong, but they ignore this)

They never even consider that maybe a God might not exist.

If you remember God did this once before in the way of Christ, and the whole of humanity did not acknowledge Him. His own people did not recognize Him. Why? Because they themselves built a myth (much like you have) of who and what God was supposed to be.

So in order for God to be recognized God must appear before us as we perceive Him to be otherwise we would look past Him as the Jews did.. Now the question is, does God want us to have or retain those flawed views of Him?

According to the life of Christ no. All who saw God as God had to come to Him and approach Him as He deemed fit.

[Tobie]

If you remember God did this once before in the way of Christ, and the whole of humanity did not acknowledge Him. His own people did not recognize Him. Why? Because they themselves built a myth (much like you have) of who and what God was supposed to be.

He's an omnipotent being, i.e has the power to make the people he appears to know he is their god. But that would just be doing it the easy way.

[Lucanus]

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Who is they? The fairy queen?

She told me fairies are eternal, that they live outside time and space so they cannot be detected, they created this universe, and that when we die we all go up to the big fairy ring in the sky. Unless we're naughty and deny their existence, in which case we're sent to Captain Hook's ship to be tortured for eternity.

Seems legit to me.

I think your god must've been busy or something? Perhaps helping somebody find their car keys or score a goal, or maybe just watching some children starve...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIeY7J9kjg0

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Then maybe follow that for a while and see how it works out for you metering out the same level of scrutiny you have here. If you can bring yourself to test this 'deity' as you do with the God of the bible and she fails then check that one off the list and reapply yourself.

The problem is, your method does not stand up to any external form of scrutiny. Like jesus_wept said (and his point flew over your head), you can make up all sorts of crazy horseshit with this method and having them confirmed to you because you heard some voices in your head.
You should present us with OBJECTIVE evidence, not something that depends on one's personal thoughts.

Plus (I will repeat it even though it has already been said countless times in this thread) A/S/King is not even falsifiable, as if one fails to reach the conclusions you wanted them to, you can always say he didn't try hard enough, without ever showing a clear and rigorous course of action.

[Drich]

possiable to talk to yoda, it is. But, first "you must unlearn what you have learned."

Yep, that ridiculous that I'd be joking about it to. In fact I do joke about it.

Then the question becomes, if God does exist would you want any type of relationship with Him?

I'm not sure why this is what the question becomes. My point was that the method is flawed to begin with. Its not even a sensible question. I've never seen anyone actually define what their Gods traits are in any detail. How could I possibly tell you if I want anything to do with something that is completely unknown.

God traits are defined by Him. He is the alpha and Omega the beginning and end to all things. In short this puts the Omni max definition to shame, it means God is and has the authority to be who ever He wants to be. Can He create a rock too big for Him to lift? If He wanted to Yes. If not then No. Is He obligated to be Omni benevolent as the Omni max God is bound to be? No. In this freedom God says He is loving and jealous, he gives and He takes from those who are not faithful to what they have, He punishes the wicked and offers redemption those who seek it. God is not the God of man's religions but of the Bible. If you want to know more the answers of who God is, starts there.

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I seem to be late to this party. Honestly if I go to someone's door, knock, and don't get an answer, I don't stand there for hours or days hoping someone comes to the door. I have a life to live, after all. Yahweh/Jesus had twenty years to answer the door. Or come to my door. Give me some indisputable sign that he was there. Instead I find this guy who seems no different from other mythological figures that I'm not supposed to be worshiping, and I find myself disagreeing with the actions that this person took.

It's odd that someone who supposedly wants something so bad can't figure out how to make it work. He's a failure.

You may have been knocking on a door that no one would ever answer. In the op I explain this in greater detail with the parable of the wise and foolish builders. In short if you truly sought a relationship with God then apart of that process was to abandon a system of belief that was not biblically consistent with the God of the bible.

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Where/when did you get that?

I got that from you. You are the guy saying that if I try reaching god he will reveal himself to me right?

Can you provide a link to where I said that and a post number?

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personal testimony-and yet he can't, or won't demonstrate that it actually -did- "work" for him.

You have been a member of this board a while right? Just about everything God has done for me has been posted already. I simply did not see a need to rehash.

[Ryantology]

Is He obligated to be Omni benevolent as the Omni max God is bound to be? No. In this freedom God says He is loving and jealous, he gives and He takes from those who are not faithful to what they have, He punishes the wicked and offers redemption those who seek it.

So, God's message is to do unto others as you would have them do unto you, but he chooses not to behave in this manner. Is it any surprise that people don't? When you see people being vindictive and cruel, especially when they are Christians, they are only imitating the behavior of their Heavenly Father.

Which raises the question: does God actually want us to act a certain way? And if so, why doesn't he deal with us in a way that is compatible with how he created us to learn? Is he stupid?

[Drich]

The only way to find god is to brainwash yourself. Some people can do this in a short amount of time and others take almost a lifetime to do it.

Once you have succeeded in being brainwashed you achieve a level of madness that allows you to think you have experienced god.

This god is of course is different from person to person. This is evidenced in the fact that no two people have the same idea of god.

This knocking that drippy talks about is nothing more than the tormenting process of weakening your mind to the brink of madness at which point you imagine a god loosely resembling the god described in whatever book you chose such as the bible or koran.

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It is the only prescribed path to The Holy Spirit/proof of God.

How do you know if ask seek knock is a way to weaken you mind or the only prescribed path to the Holy Spirit?I've been a member of this board for two maybe three years now, and I can count on one hand the times I have been humbled by one of you looking to do so. If I have weakened my mind, and yet more often than not, can put a clown in his place when I so choose, then what does it say about the state of the mind who gets put in his place by such a "weakened mind?"

Your appeal to dismiss me on stereotypes and wishful thinking fails. Maybe give it some more thought and try again.

[jesus_wept]

Who is they? The fairy queen?

She told me fairies are eternal, that they live outside time and space so they cannot be detected, they created this universe, and that when we die we all go up to the big fairy ring in the sky. Unless we're naughty and deny their existence, in which case we're sent to Captain Hook's ship to be tortured for eternity.

Seems legit to me.

I think your god must've been busy or something? Perhaps helping somebody find their car keys or score a goal, or maybe just watching some children starve...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIeY7J9kjg0

Then maybe follow that for a while and see how it works out for you metering out the same level of scrutiny you have here. If you can bring yourself to test this 'deity' as you do with the God of the bible and she fails then check that one off the list and reapply yourself.

Perhaps it is you who should apply the same level of scrutiny to the voice in your head as you do mine? I have already done the test you said to do so why should I have to keep doing more while you just get to sit there and smugly assert that I should keep trying?

Here's a test we can both perform, let's ask our "deities" something no human being knows, something useful like "what is dark matter?". If mine cant tell me what it is then I'm willing to admit I might be deluding myself and the voice in my head is neither external or the creator of the universe. If yours cant then I expect you will make excuses. You never know, you might even get a Nobel Prize out of it.