Why knocking is so important.

[Ryantology]

In short Asking/Seeking brings one to Atheism. Knocking takes them back out. If you are still in Atheism you have not completed the knocking portion of the task we were given.

Since it has obviously worked for you, you should inform us, in depth, of every single exact thing one must do in order to properly knock and get an answer. No metaphors. No vague statements. No bible quotes, unless you care to translate them so that we have clear and explicit guidance. Leave as little as possible open to interpretation. Nothing short of maximally-precise step-by-step instructions will be adquate, because if you're right, we obviously need them.

[Thumpalumpacus]

What if i believed col. Sanders was not real? I know there is a ton of documentation that the col. was real. But what better proof of the col. Than the col. himself?
What better proof of God than God Himself?

Well, then I'd show you a picture of him, autographed by him, or I'd show you film footage of him opening up a new restaurant, or were he still alive, we'd jump on a plane and go shake his hand.

Let us know when you can supply that sort of evidence for your little god-thingy.

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God is existed and i think that's totally depend upon you wether you believe on god or not. Because if you believe on god then every thing that will happen with you, you can say that god will do it otherwise you only find out the reason that prove you god will exist but you can't find out.

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lol, the deal isn't done, you'll burn in hell yet ... because pride is a sin, too.

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Congratulations, you've won first prize in the horseshit sweepstakes today.

Pride is a sin but finds the same attonement as all other sin.

So you don't have to try to do better? What kind of milquetoast redemption is that? When I was a believer, I was a Southern Baptist. We not only had to ask forgiveness each night, we also had to try better to avoid the same sin.

What a shame, that you should take your god's desires so lightly that you presume you'll be forgiven. Better to not commit the sin in the first place, don'tcha think?

I dont get what the verse you posted has to do with anything, can you explain it?

It's apparently escaped your notice that I didn't post it, I only quoted a Christian who had. And my comment about his winning the horseshit sweepstakes is explanation enough.

[Drich]

Well if he refuses to respond then I'll known a truth of him. Regardless a lesson I've learned first hand is better then one I've learned through hearsay.

Knock yourself out. I'm simply trying to prepare you, since all his posts are on record. Hardly hearsay; and actually I rather resent the implication, truth be told.

Careful goose stims doesn't like when people go off and think for themselves. (Don't agree with him) He is the resident 'thinker' here, and if you don't fall in you might be labeled as a pseudo theist

[Ryantology]

You don't have time to be a wiseass, Drich. You've got souls to save.

[pocaracas]

Anyway, I see you're still not addressing the possibility that it's all in your head.
Oh, I must use a question, right then!
Q: Have you ever considered the possibility that the A/S/K methodology taps into a well known and easily exploitable mental state which exists in most of humanity's brains?

Keep reading that muliti post I did last night your answer is in there.

I did read it. The fact that I'm asking this is because the answer was not there... maybe you think it is, but it is not.
At most, you have this:

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I've been asking him the same thing for months. Never a response.


He can not provide one bit of evidence that he is not misinterpreting a natural brain state.

His only argument is circular.

"The Bible makes a claim, that if you follow steps 123, you will get results XYZ. I followed steps 123 and got results XYZ. Therefore, God".

He cannot know that following steps 123 did not cause a natural brain state that he misinterpreted. Which is most likely the case.

Not true. When asked i pointed to spiritual fruit as out lined in gal 5, and spiritual gifts found in 1cor 12. These are all external points that can be tested.

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And this sort of thing only shows that it is a well known phenomenon. The interpretation of that phenomenon is arbitrary. The bible attributes it to some god. Freud will probably attribute it to your penis...
This might be worth the hours:
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-century-of-the-self/

Doesn't it make you wonder why the same methodology can be applied to any religion? Or why it can be applied to any claim which a particular person cannot disprove? Or even why it can be applied to brainwashing?

One of my main points is that A/S/K is a methodology that we apply to anything we really want. the first 10 or so pages of this discussion centered around that fact.

Anything we really want?
Indeed, it's a way to self-delusion... BIG-LIE style.


Also, borrowing from all this talk of your past experiences... have you mentioned how your brain is completely fried from all the drug use? Have you considered that most of those experiences (The angel one which knew things practically only you would know) could have been a side-effect of the drugs that were still in your system? Hallucination is common under these circumstances.
Your brain, even damaged, is a very powerful and very complex machine. Before you attribute anything to some outside entity, you must first make sure it's not coming from within! And that seems to be a step you're missing completely!

That said, it is true that, on some occasions, believing in some form of higher power does have beneficial effects on the person. It has made you turn from drug addict to a successful business man, right?
That doesn't mean that any god had anything to do with it, but your own inner belief in said god did play a role. Good for you. I'm glad it helped you. It may (and actually does) help many others in the world.
But it is a phenomenon that cannot apply to those who have no belief in such higher power. These people must find some other way to pick themselves up mentally and straighten their lives.
Some people, even believing in the higher power, will never manage to get back up.
Some people (like most atheists here) have no real need of such psychological crutches. We're already fine with our lives, no belief in any god required, ever.

For some reason, it seems you are incapable of thinking about it like this. This must sound foreign to you, or nonsensical.
Tell me, can you honestly say you've considered the possibility that a lot of the extraordinary phenomena you think happened to you may have been a product of your own mind, your own wishful thinking, your own imagination, your own hallucination, your own projection?

[Cyberman]

Knock yourself out. I'm simply trying to prepare you, since all his posts are on record. Hardly hearsay; and actually I rather resent the implication, truth be told.

Careful goose stims doesn't like when people go off and think for themselves. (Don't agree with him) He is the resident 'thinker' here, and if you don't fall in you might be labeled as a pseudo theist

Drich, please take this in the manner in which it was intended.

Fuck off you condescending arrogant cunt.


Nice deflection though, as I prophesied.

[Esquilax]

In short Asking/Seeking brings one to Atheism. Knocking takes them back out. If you are still in Atheism you have not completed the knocking portion of the task we were given.

Since it has obviously worked for you, you should inform us, in depth, of every single exact thing one must do in order to properly knock and get an answer. No metaphors. No vague statements. No bible quotes, unless you care to translate them so that we have clear and explicit guidance. Leave as little as possible open to interpretation. Nothing short of maximally-precise step-by-step instructions will be adquate, because if you're right, we obviously need them.

I asked him that back at the beginning of the thread, and all I got back was "you just do it!" Which isn't surprising in the least, as keeping things vague means it can't be falsified, and he can sit there in lofty superiority over us because we can't manage something so simple.

[Drich]

I must have missed the story, because I have a habit of not reading your lengthy posts.
"Point one outside of sharing that i was going to my uncles house, and giving this guy my name, that is literally the last thing I said to him aloud. You also failed to address the specific problems he identified correctly that i was having with my Father. He went into my father's past and talked about things maybe 4 people left alive know about my father. He told me of my mother where she went. (And no, I don't look korean)"

Lmfao. Wait....so this is about some stupid psychic screwing you out of your money? Well I guess that's basically what god does too. And the psychic actually exists so you get points for that.

Maybe you should go back click on the like I provided for messenger/ message, you seem to be lost-y

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I am nothing special, God did not offer me anything He has not offered the rest of you.

This statement can only be true if God offered you nothing. I haven't received an offer from God.

Luke 11 applies to you as well.

[FatAndFaithless]

I must have missed the story, because I have a habit of not reading your lengthy posts.
"Point one outside of sharing that i was going to my uncles house, and giving this guy my name, that is literally the last thing I said to him aloud. You also failed to address the specific problems he identified correctly that i was having with my Father. He went into my father's past and talked about things maybe 4 people left alive know about my father. He told me of my mother where she went. (And no, I don't look korean)"

Lmfao. Wait....so this is about some stupid psychic screwing you out of your money? Well I guess that's basically what god does too. And the psychic actually exists so you get points for that.

Maybe you should go back click on the like I provided for messenger/ message, you seem to be lost-y

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This statement can only be true if God offered you nothing. I haven't received an offer from God.

Luke 11 applies to you as well.

She once was losty, but now she's found. She's right there.

[Drich]

The point remains, though - why would you use the bible at all? It couldn't be that that's the only way you can even know anything about your god, could it?

Ah, screw it; why am I even bothering to ask? Cue lame rationalisation and/or deflection in 3... 2... 1...

We use the bible as a guideline because the Holy Spirit is not the only entity that gives revelation. (Mormonism and Islam) are two good examples.

Before my revelation of Hell I thought it to be a place of physical fire and demon tormentors that would last forever.. I experienced something quite different. Early in my walk he. Asked to explain the away the discrepancies I couldn't. Now after reading and studing the bible I can see what I experienced matches what the bible says.

For me in that instance the bible becomes a source of confirmation.

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You guys who put all your eggs in the falsifiablity basket should read what this artical on Princton.edu has to say.
http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/w...ility.html

It is not the catch all arguement you all seem to think it is. In short falsifiability is only a valid precept when testing a scientific or the philosphy of science claim. Life experience, religion and philosphy do not require Falsifiablity.

Even so the claim being made will be determined true or false at the final judgement.

The falsifiability basket is superior to the gullibility basket for egg keeping.

You don't understand falsifiability. A deist creator god that is said to exist outside our universe is not falsifiable. This attribute of your God is also not falsifiable; however, all the other attributes assigned to your God that interact with our universe are falsifiable.

So you believe (and by default your kudo-ers also believe) the defination I provided with a link to Princeton.edu doesn't not portray falsifiability accurately?

Then please with some greater authority (than your say so) provide proof that your beliefs trump what is being taught on the subject at Princeton. Or are you simply a man of 'faith'?

I forgot who said it but it was said that 'faith is for those who do not want to know the truth.' Are you a man of this kind of faith?

No? Then show me. Show me a reference stronger than the one I provided or conceed the point and admit that you were wrong.

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In short Asking/Seeking brings one to Atheism. Knocking takes them back out. If you are still in Atheism you have not completed the knocking portion of the task we were given.

Since it has obviously worked for you, you should inform us, in depth, of every single exact thing one must do in order to properly knock and get an answer. No metaphors. No vague statements. No bible quotes, unless you care to translate them so that we have clear and explicit guidance. Leave as little as possible open to interpretation. Nothing short of maximally-precise step-by-step instructions will be adquate, because if you're right, we obviously need them.

I said this a few dozen times now.

We ask in prayer, nothing fancy. Just a "dear God, if your up there show me what I need to see and or experience to establish and maintain a belief."
We seek in reading the bible, asking questions in places like this and church, and we simply open mindedly follow where ever that leads us.
(If in church it could lead you to atheism for a time) if in atheism it can lead you back if you let it, and if you continue to being faithful to this process. (Knocking)

That's it

The only faith that is required is that of a mustard seed. (The smallest bit) I believe that can be found in the prayer portion. And even then you do not have to pray aloud with your eyes closed. Just earnestly in you mind, ask god to open you eyes ears and heart so you can see, hear and receive Him.

You can even keep posting your regular venom, but eventually you will simply not want to.

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You don't have time to be a wiseass, Drich. You've got souls to save.

There is always time for wise assery. Especially at stimbo's expense .

And I can't save anyone. All I am here for is to answer any questions or to provide clarity one May have about biblical Christianity.

The saving has already been done, all anyone need do is accept it.

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Since it has obviously worked for you, you should inform us, in depth, of every single exact thing one must do in order to properly knock and get an answer. No metaphors. No vague statements. No bible quotes, unless you care to translate them so that we have clear and explicit guidance. Leave as little as possible open to interpretation. Nothing short of maximally-precise step-by-step instructions will be adquate, because if you're right, we obviously need them.

I asked him that back at the beginning of the thread, and all I got back was "you just do it!" Which isn't surprising in the least, as keeping things vague means it can't be falsified, and he can sit there in lofty superiority over us because we can't manage something so simple.

What post number?

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Maybe you should go back click on the like I provided for messenger/ message, you seem to be lost-y

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Luke 11 applies to you as well.

She once was losty, but now she's found. She's right there.

I was blind, but now I can see that.