My Thoughts On Militant Atheism

[Mister Agenda]

I am concerned for what came before and after those quotes, see as the poster above you said, a lot of people like to cherry pick. Personally I'd rather Christians cherry pick ones about love and equality than ones about rape and murder.

What a bizarre stance for an intellectually honest atheist to take. Oh..right..

It seems like a reasonable stance to me:

1. Check sources.
2. Rather Christians cherry-pick the nice verses than carry out the nasty ones.

[Chas]

I do not see the point you are trying to make. So the Arabs created a new State and Religion and managed to conquer all of Persia and the Byzantine Empire? You do not claim that the Persians were following Ahura Mazda's command at conquest or that the Byzantines were following Yahwehs to build their empires do you? It was a magnificent feat the Arabs managed to do, a conquest on the scale of Alexander the Greats but instead of calling them Arabs, you call them Muslims, instead of viewing it as ingenious military tactics, you view it as a war of oppression by these Muslims against Pagans, Christians, and Zoroastrians. There is great cause for you to worry, for this is the only time in history where people make these assumptions and you all to readily agree to their definitions. The ARABIC Caliphates ushered in a golden age of thought, advancing many fields such as science, medicine, and astronomy. But you give them no thanks. Shameless are you in your ignorance.

The point was that is what religions do, not just Islam.

I am now convinced you are a Muslim liar.

[Exian]

Nope. Religion is delusion. Delusional people can be dangerous.

There is more things to be delusional about than just religion.

That may be so, but what, other than religion, does a better job of collecting delusional people en masse under one cause? One delusional atheist may commit murder, but where is his/her army?

[Mister Agenda]

Personally I'd rather Christians cherry pick ones about love and equality than ones about rape and murder.

A certain woman had a boyfriend. He was well employed and generous with his money, he doted on her, he was a fantastic lover, he cooked and cleaned for her, but....

He also rapes her at night, slaps her face so hard that she bruises, broke her cat's leg in a fit of violent rage, etc...

But let's not focus on the fact that he'll probably eventually kill her. At least she'll have a clean house and a full stomach at her funeral.

I don't think that's a fair analogy. It's consistent action (be nice) and inconsistent thinking (the Bible is true, except for the parts that would require me to not be nice).

[FatAndFaithless]

There is more things to be delusional about than just religion.

That may be so, but what, other than religion, does a better job of collecting delusional people en masse under one cause? One delusional atheist may commit murder, but where is his/her army?

Inb4 Stalin

[Mister Agenda]

It's like saying Hitler was nice to his dog, so, overall not all bad!

Wouldn't it be more like 'Roger is nice to most everyone, but has some weird opinions'?

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Not atheists.

There might be something to that. Definitely in the case of Fox News, I think.

You're an atheist, too, right? You seem to be doing the opposite of projecting. Why do you assume we're all so different from you? Just because we're not ashamed of the label 'atheist'?

You'd be surprised who's an atheist in this world, many people especially those in politics might say they're of a certain religion, but are so vaguely associated with it that one could almost think they were closet atheists. Adolf Hitler and Barrack Obama are two people whom I believe are/were closet atheists.

There's a lot to that statement about the news, the news is pretty much propaganda, misinforming, and distraction from actual important issues.

I am an atheist, terribly ashamed to be labeled with other atheists who insult others just for their beliefs.

If your problem is with the 'secret atheists who rule the world', you've come to the wrong place. We're the open atheists who hang out on internet forums.

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Wait, an atheist ashamed of being an atheist that claims Obama and Hitler are atheists? Are you sure you're not a plant from Fox News or something?

Well, Obama is United Church of Christ, a lot of people think they're atheists. If he is an atheist, I don't see what that has to do with geopolitics. Atheism doesn't form anyone's opinions, it's just one of their opinions.

Celestine has put us in the awkward position of speculating whether certain world figures are secretly atheists. The less evidence of it being true, the better they are at keeping it secret.

[Celestine]

I can't... are you honestly this stupid? You blame the state government for the misinformation in the textbooks, but somehow, in some miracle of ignorance, manage to skip over the part where the government, in this instance, is filled with fundamentalist christians attempting to use their power to promote falsehoods in direct opposition to the law of the land?

Are you even thinking at all before you disagree?

I have little love for the United States or Americans, while I was in school I mostly taught myself, after I graduated I had to reteach myself many of the things my school had taught me, especially on patriotism and history. So I really don't care what Americans teach themselves, if they want to throw religion in on top of all the other garbage they teach themselves I honestly don't think it would make that much of a difference in their overall intellectual capabilities.

You really don't know how much of a failure the education system is do you? Not only for America but Europe as well. This is your own fault for allowing private interest groups to control your politics.

Jesus, in his own words, did not come to abolish the old laws, many of which detail the ways in which unbelievers are to be killed. Jesus also introduced the concept of hell, as a place where unbelievers go, and I humbly suggest that "you should be tortured for eternity for your beliefs," is a much, much more insulting statement than "your beliefs are stupid."

I don't believe in hell so I can that insult me?

But since it's coming from religion, and you're a theist pretending to be atheist as though we can't see through it, you're blind to that. And if, on the off chance, you actually are an atheist, then your stance is entirely inconsistent and completely nonsensical, and you should feel bad.

Or perhaps I've just grown to tolerate religion far more than you have?

All fifty pages of it, eh?

So in the previous paragraph you said there wasn't any biblical orders to kill atheists, and then in the next you say we deserve it? Contradiction!

Was there much atheism of any sort back when the old testament was written? Because, you know, there would need to be, for your statement here to make any kind of sense chronologically...

I don't think I said there weren't any, just that I didn't know of any.

Incidentally, are you suggesting that threats of violence are an appropriate response to insults?

That's usually how humans operate. Threats and Insults go hand in hand you know? Religion aside.

You have exactly the same reason as your purported reason for condemning atheism. Insults abound on both sides, only the theists are the only ones calling for violence, so it's literally worse on their end. To come here and pretend we're doing anything much at all is pure hypocrisy.

Threats usually come after when the opposing side has nothing to back their argument up.

More poisoning the well. For a supposed atheist you sure do take a lot of pages from the creationist playbook. Hey, next tell us that science is just a theory!

The Big Bang is certainly just a theory, it ties in to nicely to religion, and I'm much more a fan of the Static Universe Theory.

Don't you think it's a bit simplistic to say that there's only one problem?

Oh right, this is just about being a deep cover theist, not about actually saying anything cogent. I forgot for a second.

Okay let me explain to you what is going on.

This is an atheist arguing with a theist about religion.

Meanwhile in Africa, South America, and Asia Billions of people are subjugated to a life of poverty and near starvation to make Capitalism work in first world countries. Capitalism is the problem, Communism is not much better.

To be fair, that wasn't exactly an unbiased site. There's nothing wrong with going to the source and making sure of the context. Our time isn't so valuable that we can't wait until tomorrow for him or her to do some research.

Already posted it, like I thought it took certain pieces while leaving out the rest the explained what the cause was.

There is more things to be delusional about than just religion.

That may be so, but what, other than religion, does a better job of collecting delusional people en masse under one cause? One delusional atheist may commit murder, but where is his/her army?

Democracy, possibly the most vile form of government that ever existed.

[ShaMan]

I said I was ashamed to be labeled with other atheists, I have no shame in being an atheist, just when people define atheists they look at the worst and will define me as the worst. Just how atheists view religious people only by looking at their worst and grouping them altogether as the worst.

Hypocrite. You're the one who entered the room labeling others whom you don't know as 'militant'. I'm keeping your cherry and I'm making a sour-puss pie out of it

[Mister Agenda]

Even though I am an atheist, I believe in hell, I define hell as a place of pure ignorance. You purveyor of misinformation and ignorance, how shall I see you other than in my form of hell? I sincerely hope that you will abandon your hatred,, for it has made you blind, deaf, and dumb.

Yours has made you an ass.

These things you have said only keep you in your own little world of hatred. Were you to accept that it is not religion that causes problems in this world, then you would finally be able to help others.

No one here thinks religion is the only cause of problems in the world.

But here you sit with your tongue of falsehoods. How should I treat you?

With Biblical-sounding rhetoric, apparently.

After I worked sincerely to clear up the misunderstanding of those quotes that JesusHChrist had erroneously posted believing that they were fanatic calls to war?

I knew what you would find. They don't have to be fanatical calls to war for fanatics to use them as calls to war.

How do you expect me to respect you after such a post as yours?

I've yet to see any indication that you respect anyone.

Truly you reside in a hell far worse than any theology can create.

You underestimate theology. See how long you can grasp a 400-degree-Farenheit heating coil and get back to us on how much worse it is to be in a condition of disagreeing with you.

I do not see the point you are trying to make. So the Arabs created a new State and Religion and managed to conquer all of Persia and the Byzantine Empire?

That seems to be the case. Wouldn't you think the point is that they didn't do that by only fighting defensive wars?

You do not claim that the Persians were following Ahura Mazda's command at conquest or that the Byzantines were following Yahwehs to build their empires do you?

Whatever their various religions commanded, it clearly didn't hinder their empire-building.

It was a magnificent feat the Arabs managed to do, a conquest on the scale of Alexander the Greats but instead of calling them Arabs, you call them Muslims, instead of viewing it as ingenious military tactics, you view it as a war of oppression by these Muslims against Pagans, Christians, and Zoroastrians.

And instead of calling the Arabs who conquered the Arabs Muslims, you call them Arabs. Yes, when people are being conquered, murdered, oppressed, and enslaved, perhaps I don't give their exquisite military tactics the appreciation they deserve.

There is great cause for you to worry, for this is the only time in history where people make these assumptions and you all to readily agree to their definitions.

Yes, most of the modern world has given up on empire-building, though it took a hell of a long time to reach that point.

The ARABIC Caliphates ushered in a golden age of thought, advancing many fields such as science, medicine, and astronomy. But you give them no thanks. Shameless are you in your ignorance.

Shameless are you in your pretentiousness. Thank goodness for the Golden Age of Islam. Too bad it's long gone, due almost entirely to fundamentalist fanatics winding down the clock of Arab progress.

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I said I was ashamed to be labeled with other atheists, I have no shame in being an atheist, just when people define atheists they look at the worst and will define me as the worst. Just how atheists view religious people only by looking at their worst and grouping them altogether as the worst.

The way you do with other atheists?

[Anomalocaris]

So many fallacies, so little time...

I'm assigning a high probability to this one, that you are a one-post wonder; spilling theistic bilge across the interwebs, doing time for Jeebus/Allah/Vishnu.

If god-mockery wasn't so richly deserved, and extremely comical, I wouldn't do it. Extreme comedy FTW!

Meanwhile, ISIS cuts off people's heads...just another day in Religion of Peace-land.

So please fuck-off on telling us what to do.

I am not a theist, I am an atheist, but I much more prefer to call myself a naturalist. This is your response to a mature post?

Who funds ISIS? Who funds Al-Qaeda? Who funds the Taliban? These organizations who commit these crimes are NOT the representatives of Muslims and the reason the media focuses on them is to drive support for western intervention in the middle east! To advance the wests political agenda for that region. Your hatred for religion blinds you from seeing the obvious, I've seen muslims that have more brains than you do. Yet you pride yourself on your 'intelligence' merely for being an atheist, how naive you are.

This is not a mature post. It is a self-righteous rant. You are not even self-righteous about a proposition whose validity can be independently validated. You are self righteous about your own opinion. You are full of your self.

Fuck off and grow up.