Ayaan's recent Yale speech...cant find it.

[Brian37]

Ayaan Hersi Ali spoke recently at Yale University. Cant find a link to a video of it. Was wondering if anyone knows where I can watch it.

FYI Yale's Muslim student association and unfortunately along with it's humanist student group singed a petition condemning her for speaking and deemed it as "hate speech"

Here is the response to their undue and wrong condemnation of her.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyath...is-speech/

[Lemonvariable72]

Ayaan Hersi Ali spoke recently at Yale University. Cant find a link to a video of it. Was wondering if anyone knows where I can watch it.

FYI Yale's Muslim student association and unfortunately along with it's humanist student group singed a petition condemning her for speaking and deemed it as "hate speech"

Here is the response to their undue and wrong condemnation of her.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyath...is-speech/

The humanist group defined ayaan's speech as hate speech?

[Brian37]

Ayaan Hersi Ali spoke recently at Yale University. Cant find a link to a video of it. Was wondering if anyone knows where I can watch it.

FYI Yale's Muslim student association and unfortunately along with it's humanist student group singed a petition condemning her for speaking and deemed it as "hate speech"

Here is the response to their undue and wrong condemnation of her.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyath...is-speech/

The humanist group defined ayaan's speech as hate speech?

According to the article it seems so. This is what I fucking hate about PC liberals. When someone is pointing out the harm religion causes you dont fucking condemn the person doing it, you get angry at the people using religion to harm others.

Why would anyone protect any asshole in any religion, picking up a book, reading it(right or wrong) and using it to justify sexism, homophobia, fear of outsiders and justify violence?

Religion will not go away, but it must be treated as the poison it is, much like you cannot get rid of highways or cars, but you have to pragmatically treat a car like a weapon.

No one can take a Bobcat bucket loader and remove Mt Fuji. But the mistake liberal and moderate believers of ALL religions make, is assuming because the volcano is currently dormant, and because "most people in my religion don't do that", assumes the volcano will never explode.

It is not a matter of "most people do not do that", the poison of religion is that people forget that all it takes is "just enough".

Ayaan has no intent on sticking Muslims in ovens like Hitler did with Jews. But it is bullshit to say that there is no sexism or oppression going on in the Middle East.

[Lemonvariable72]

The humanist group defined ayaan's speech as hate speech?

According to the article it seems so. This is what I fucking hate about PC liberals. When someone is pointing out the harm religion causes you dont fucking condemn the person doing it, you get angry at the people using religion to harm others.

Why would anyone protect any asshole in any religion, picking up a book, reading it(right or wrong) and using it to justify sexism, homophobia, fear of outsiders and justify violence?

Religion will not go away, but it must be treated as the poison it is, much like you cannot get rid of highways or cars, but you have to pragmatically treat a car like a weapon.

No one can take a Bobcat bucket loader and remove Mt Fuji. But the mistake liberal and moderate believers of ALL religions make, is assuming because the volcano is currently dormant, and because "most people in my religion don't do that", assumes the volcano will never explode.

It is not a matter of "most people do not do that", the poison of religion is that people forget that all it takes is "just enough".

Ayaan has no intent on sticking Muslims in ovens like Hitler did with Jews. But it is bullshit to say that there is no sexism or oppression going on in the Middle East.

I find it quite ironic that Islam is the perfect example of the volcano analogy you make. For centuries they were far more moderate and advanced then the west, now look at them since the ottomans fell.

[Brian37]

According to the article it seems so. This is what I fucking hate about PC liberals. When someone is pointing out the harm religion causes you dont fucking condemn the person doing it, you get angry at the people using religion to harm others.

Why would anyone protect any asshole in any religion, picking up a book, reading it(right or wrong) and using it to justify sexism, homophobia, fear of outsiders and justify violence?

Religion will not go away, but it must be treated as the poison it is, much like you cannot get rid of highways or cars, but you have to pragmatically treat a car like a weapon.

No one can take a Bobcat bucket loader and remove Mt Fuji. But the mistake liberal and moderate believers of ALL religions make, is assuming because the volcano is currently dormant, and because "most people in my religion don't do that", assumes the volcano will never explode.

It is not a matter of "most people do not do that", the poison of religion is that people forget that all it takes is "just enough".

Ayaan has no intent on sticking Muslims in ovens like Hitler did with Jews. But it is bullshit to say that there is no sexism or oppression going on in the Middle East.

I find it quite ironic that Islam is the perfect example of the volcano analogy you make. For centuries they were far more moderate and advanced then the west, now look at them since the ottomans fell.

ARGGGGGGGGGGGGG, ALL religions and I do mean all, need to be treated like that.

Although "athiest" is a position, there are atheists that have created churches and made lists of "moral codes" ant that can turn a lower case "a" atheist into an upper case "A" Atheist into an organized political group and any form of dogmatism to that degree can become a poison.

Religion is group think, to a dogmatic degree and even political parties can become religions and states can become religions.

[Lemonvariable72]

I find it quite ironic that Islam is the perfect example of the volcano analogy you make. For centuries they were far more moderate and advanced then the west, now look at them since the ottomans fell.

ARGGGGGGGGGGGGG, ALL religions and I do mean all, need to be treated like that.

Although "athiest" is a position, there are atheists that have created churches and made lists of "moral codes" ant that can turn a lower case "a" atheist into an upper case "A" Atheist into an organized political group and any form of dogmatism to that degree can become a poison.

Religion is group think, to a dogmatic degree and even political parties can become religions and states can become religions.

I actually quite agree with you.

[ShillsAnonymous]

I had the same problem finding the actual text of the "protest letter" too. For all the fuss in the media, It's a pretty transparent apologia whose simplistic sophistry placated the better judgement of the supposed signatories.

To the end of Ayaan Hirsi Ali's speech, she challenged her critics as to who did the most to inflame hostility or to put Islam into disrepute: The ones who speak of evils or that which perpetrates them? Nowhere does the protest letter dare put that to question.

From: Yale MSA [snip]

Date: Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:15 AM
Subject: Dear Friends: More Speech, Not Hate Speech
To: Yale MSA [snip]

To the Yale community, and to the Buckley program board and staff,

We write to express our concerns about the speaker that is coming to campus this September 15, 2014. The Buckley Foundation is inviting Ayaan Hirsi Ali to discuss the topic “Clash of Civilizations: Islam and the West.”

The level of radical inaccuracy in representing a faith that is part of our community compels all of us, not just Muslims on campus, to act on Yale’s fundamental values of freedom of speech and diversity of thought to express our sentiments.

We sympathize with the unfortunate circumstances that Ms. Hirsi Ali faced in her Muslim household as a child and we recognize that such experiences do exist in many countries, including Muslim-majority ones. We condemn such actions and contend that Islam does not promote them. It is important to distinguish Islamic teachings from the practices of some Muslims, which can be based on a variety of sociopolitical reasons and which do exist in other non-Muslim communities around the world.

Our concern is that Ms. Hirsi Ali is being invited to speak as an authority on Islam despite the fact that she does not hold the credentials to do so. In the past, under such authority, she has overlooked the complexity of sociopolitical issues in Muslim-majority countries and has purported that Islam promotes a number of violent and inhumane practices. At her worst, Ms. Hirsi Ali has said that Islam is a “destructive nihilistic cult of death” worshiping a “fire-breathing Allah” that, in all of its forms, needs to be “defeated.”

While the Muslim community and its allies cannot but believe that the students of the Buckley program care to “promote intellectual diversity” in a respectful and purposeful manner, we do want to reiterate that we feel highly disrespected by the invitation of this speaker. Moreover, it would be more beneficial for someone with representative scholarly qualifications to be speaking if the goal is “to foster open political discussion and intellectual engagement on campus.”

The comments Ms. Hirsi Ali has made on Islam have been classified as hate speech and have been considered unprotected libel and slander. She has been condemned for them by national organizations and universities. The Muslim community and its allies are disappointed that our own fellow Yalies would invite such a speaker knowingly and that she would have such a platform in our home.

While we have legitimate concerns from what we know, and while we cannot overlook how marginalizing her presence will be to the Muslim community and how uncomfortable it will be for the community’s allies, we are hopeful that the discussion is constructive and that Ms. Hirsi Ali speaks only to her personal experiences and professional expertise.

In advancing freedom of speech on campus, we are happy to work together, with the Buckley program and with others, to facilitate representative dialogue about Islam. We are also happy to engage anybody curious about why we feel this way. The Muslim community at Yale is vibrant and its doors are always open to those interested in learning more—not about a perceived clash of civilizations, but about Islam as something that represents a meaningful faith experience for a community of Yalies. We encourage you to reach out to the Coordinator of Muslim Life and to the Muslim Students Association to learn more about Muslim beliefs, practices, experiences, and events.

We welcome those interested in honest learning and productive dialogue to visit the musalla in Bingham D or to join us in our next Friday service and lunch at 1:00pm in Dwight Chapel.

With peace,
The Women’s Center
Asian American Student Alliance (AASA)
Black Church at Yale (BCAY)
The Slifka Center
Council on Middle Eastern Studies (CMES)
Yale Atheists, Humanists, and Agnostics (AHA)
Chi Alpha Christian Fellowship
Hindu Student Council (HSC)
St. Thomas More Undergraduate Council
Youth Evangelical Fellowship
The Arab Students Association (ASA)
Black Student Alliance (BSA)
Yale African Student Association (YASA)
Jews and Muslims at Yale (JAM)
Korean American Students at Yale (KASY)
South Asian Society (SAS)
Yale Friends of Turkey
Nepali Association of Yale-Undergraduate Affiliates (NAYA)
Yale Friends of Israel (YFI)
Japanese American Student Union (JASU)
Yalies for Pakistan
Students of Nigeria
Chinese American Student Association (CASA)
Albanian Students at Yale College
Dominican Student Association
Taiwanese American Society (TAS)
Women’s Leadership Initative (WLI)
Students for Syrian Relief
Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP)
Building Bridges
Survivor’s Inbox
Asian American Political Action and Education Committee (PAEC)
J Street U
Broad Recognition
DisOrient

and the Muslim Students’ Association (MSA)

The Memetic Standard of divine verbatum demands a fidelity to the text makes Islam essentially vulnerable to listening long after it has been moderated, to the unbounded certainty in the whole creed.

[Brian37]

Anyone signing a petition denouncing criticism is a fucking moron. Ayaan isn't trying to rid the world of Islam by force of law. She is trying to get the East and Arab world out of it's own dark ages.