The garden is in an island called Bahrain.
The cherubim and the swords are figures of speech
The cherubim and the swords are figures of speech
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Abiogenesis is impossible
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This thing is 129 pages deep. Are there any good points made? I need the abridged version.
I can't remember where this verse is from, I think it got removed from canon:
"I don't hang around with mostly men because I'm gay. It's because men are better than women. Better trained, better equipped...better. Just better! I'm not gay." For context, this is the previous verse: "Hi Jesus" -robvalue  (September 17, 2014 at 11:42 am)DramaQueen Wrote: The garden is in an island called Bahrain. Figures of speech are intended to convey meaning. What meaning do cherubim and flaming swords convey? The story context is one of guarded defence of a prohibited area. If not actual cherubim and swords of flame, then what? Related questions: how did you come to determine them as figures of speech? Why? What else must be interpreted figuratively and how and why must we make that distinction between literal and figurative?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
I was just looking at it from the view of Christian apologetics. Guess I succeeded?
 RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
September 17, 2014 at 12:13 pm
(This post was last modified: September 17, 2014 at 12:14 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(September 17, 2014 at 12:04 pm)Stimbo Wrote: how did you come to determine them as figures of speech?Can I field this one? What with there not being any cherubim or flaming swords, mostly. They exist only in a book, the codified scriblings of speech, and thusly can -only- be figures of speech. The authors had never seen any cherubim or flaming swords either - so no one's actually talking about literal cherubim or flaming swords - even though some numbskills malfunctioning headgear might point them in this direction. To add, the narrative works without assuming that any part of it is literal -it's peoples beliefs (and obviously not all peoples beliefs) that don't work when that assumption is removed. The story is still fine.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Yet our resident snowflake is in the process of tracking down the 'actual' garden of edam (sorry - autocorrect). Unless he's going to compromise on what constitutes a verifiable description of the place - which I'm sure he wouldn't do - then we have to go with all the furniture as described.
Here's a thought. Maybe the flaming sword is a lightsabre and the cherubim are those training remote things made from Airfix car model kits that Luke used in Star Wars. Then the garden might be in Elstree Studios or ILM.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
September 17, 2014 at 12:59 pm
(This post was last modified: September 17, 2014 at 1:05 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(September 17, 2014 at 12:40 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Yet our resident snowflake is in the process of tracking down the 'actual' garden of edam (sorry - autocorrect).-and wouldn't that be a delicious find? /jokes Snowflake is having trouble creating a narrative that doesn't conflict with itself - all while we're kind of letting him manufacture the details wholecloth - so that says something about his competency in this regard and whether or not we ought to point to any sage wisdom he offers as representative of, well, anything - the very least of which the contents, themes and origins of something as meaty as Genesis. Quote:Unless he's going to compromise on what constitutes a verifiable description of the place - which I'm sure he wouldn't do - then we have to go with all the furniture as described.Given that he's two hairs away from a storm drain flooding a chicken coop in georgia regarding the deluge..... he's probably willing to make compromises on the garden as well. The garden may be anywhere, and personally, I think that's kind of the point - the authors intent (or the will of the audience..or both). A standin for -x- wherein x is kind of up to you. To use starwars... "A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away" - works better than "26million years (add months days and minutes...maybe mention a day of the week), at XGH7-128876" - as a narrative.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
September 17, 2014 at 1:04 pm
(This post was last modified: September 17, 2014 at 1:05 pm by Cyberman.)
Snowy, compromise? Surely not!
(Apologies for calling you Shirley there, Ethel.)
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
 (August 26, 2014 at 11:08 pm)Stimbo Wrote:has it ever been explained that science didn't exist before the creation? now we find out how God did it, and we call that process science.(August 26, 2014 at 10:16 pm)snowtracks Wrote: everything can be explained that it was created so that becomes the default position. “The universe was framed by God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.” that means no space, time, matter, and energy. --- it's called creation ex nihilo (latin for “creation from nothing”).
Atheist Credo: A universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.
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