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RE: my new theory about christians
October 1, 2014 at 2:58 am
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Yikes. Well, I might as well get comfortable, this is gonna be one heck of a discussion! 
@ Blackrook makes a good point. A harsh and boarderline provoking point, but a point nonetheless 
Personally, as a Christian, I welcome death whenever it may come. If I was told how I would die, my geniuine response would be, "atleast I had the luxury of seeing it coming". For most human beings, being afraid of the unknown is a normal reaction. And to be honest, death is one of those things that you can read about, feel encouraged by, but still have fear of it because you don't truly know what it is like to die.
And on the flip side, losing a loved one is never easy. I would probably find myself more joyful than the average Christian/non-Christian if I lost a loved one who was a Christian, not because I didn't love them, but only because in my personal experience I've made my peace with knowing they are in a better place (even if it is absolute nothingness).
Most Christians are human in this respect.
(October 1, 2014 at 2:46 am)psychoslice Wrote: Yea I have noticed that also, I just hate praying, to me its begging, if you pray for someone to live who is dying, and they die, then you say its God will, if they live you say its a miracle, they just cannot be wrong whatever they do, which is just how they like it.
Very true! I never thought about it like that. Technically though, if a Christian prays for someone not to die, whether they die or live, according to their faith, it's the Will of God.
Often times when you find a xian who's prayer is "answered" when a loved one survives, they call it a "miracle" because they are under the idea that they intervened the Will of God (and ironically this idea goes against their beliefs). This is usually due to a lack in understanding of their personal faith and unfortunately this has the effect that you mentioned: "they just cannot be wrong [in] whatever they do". Which is quite delusional.
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RE: my new theory about christians
October 1, 2014 at 3:58 am
(October 1, 2014 at 2:15 am)Blackrook Wrote: What a stupid, retarded OP. Christians are supposed to want to live as long as possible. Otherwise, we'd all be committing suicide to get to heaven faster. Then you'd call us a death cult, so we can't win either way in the eyes of stupid atheists.
Yea that's stupid, you don't belong to a death cult, you belong to a human sacrifice cult, how stupid of the OP for not being specific.
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RE: my new theory about christians
October 1, 2014 at 4:48 am
(October 1, 2014 at 3:58 am)Bad Wolf Wrote: (October 1, 2014 at 2:15 am)Blackrook Wrote: What a stupid, retarded OP. Christians are supposed to want to live as long as possible. Otherwise, we'd all be committing suicide to get to heaven faster. Then you'd call us a death cult, so we can't win either way in the eyes of stupid atheists.
Yea that's stupid, you don't belong to a death cult, you belong to a human sacrifice cult, how stupid of the OP for not being specific.
Well, in our defense, we don't believe in human sacrifices, plural. It was just one  And a self-sacrifice at that point.
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RE: my new theory about christians
October 1, 2014 at 4:50 am
Your entire religion is based upon that one human sacrifice, it is arguably the most important part in Christianity.
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'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
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RE: my new theory about christians
October 1, 2014 at 6:54 am
(October 1, 2014 at 4:50 am)Bad Wolf Wrote: Your entire religion is based upon that one human sacrifice, it is arguably the most important part in Christianity.
I would go as far as to say that it is THE most important part in Christianity.
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RE: my new theory about christians
October 1, 2014 at 7:01 am
(September 30, 2014 at 7:58 pm)Jextin Wrote: and im saying this as an ex christian who really wanted a better life in heaven. but anyone else ever notice how Christians spend their whole lives telling others about how much better life is in heaven, but when they or a loved one are sick with a terminal illness they pray their asses off? you know why Christians pray like crazy when they are dying? because they are scared. no matter how many years they spend bsing others, when they look at death in the face they know that this life is all there is.
So when you were a Christian did you "really" believe in heaven?
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RE: my new theory about christians
October 1, 2014 at 8:25 am
(October 1, 2014 at 6:54 am)Hezekiah Wrote: I would go as far as to say that it is THE most important part in Christianity.
An argument could be made for god creating the universe in the first place but whatever. So you are agreeing that your religion is one of human sacrifice?
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'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
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RE: my new theory about christians
October 1, 2014 at 8:41 am
(October 1, 2014 at 6:54 am)Hezekiah Wrote: (October 1, 2014 at 4:50 am)Bad Wolf Wrote: Your entire religion is based upon that one human sacrifice, it is arguably the most important part in Christianity.
I would go as far as to say that it is THE most important part in Christianity.
That means your favorite myth is senseless to the core. If god wanted to forgive us why could he not do it? Is there some higher power binding him? If so why worship him and not this power? Maybe it is loving and just? A loving and just being would consider scapegoating morally reprehensible and unjust. And they would think even more so of the idea of infinite punishment for finite crimes. So which is it? Either god is loving and just but bound to a higher power or he is omnipotent but neither loving nor just.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: my new theory about christians
October 1, 2014 at 8:42 am
(October 1, 2014 at 8:25 am)Bad Wolf Wrote: (October 1, 2014 at 6:54 am)Hezekiah Wrote: I would go as far as to say that it is THE most important part in Christianity.
An argument could be made for god creating the universe in the first place but whatever. So you are agreeing that your religion is one of human sacrifice?
I was being goofy, but of course in Christianity, you have to assume God created the universe if Jesus is supposed to be God and man. And I agree, Jesus was a sacrifice. Although, if he rose from the dead then it's not a typical sacrifice.
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RE: my new theory about christians
October 1, 2014 at 8:59 am
So the human sacrifice religion you follow is fine because he rose from the dead? That doesn't follow, he still suffered and died, that is the part that counts for a sacrifice.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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