my new theory about christians

[Hezekiah]

So the human sacrifice religion you follow is fine because he rose from the dead? That doesn't follow, he still suffered and died, that is the part that counts for a sacrifice.

You are absolutely right. It does count as part of the sacrifice. I was joking about it being fine since he rose again. He was tried a punished unfairly, so of course I hold the belief that it in that time it wasn't fair at all.

[Mudhammam]

Its comically ironic that some of these Christians are declaring atheists ignorant for suggesting Christianity is a death cult as the real ignorance appears to be with modern-day (perhaps back-sliding or worse, phony?) Christians who seem unaware of record after record of saints fervently praying with morbid bliss for, and doing whatever in their power to attain, martyrdom.

[vorlon13]

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Very true! I never thought about it like that. Technically though, if a Christian prays for someone not to die, whether they die or live, according to their faith, it's the Will of God.

Often times when you find a xian who's prayer is "answered" when a loved one survives, they call it a "miracle" because they are under the idea that they intervened the Will of God (and ironically this idea goes against their beliefs). This is usually due to a lack in understanding of their personal faith and unfortunately this has the effect that you mentioned: "they just cannot be wrong [in] whatever they do". Which is quite delusional.

It's not just delusional, it's blasphemy. These Christians have a duty to understand how their God set up their religion, and willful ignorance leading to mistating key tenets of the faith is outrageous.

And that;s why so many of them are going to burn in the fiery lake. Apostates, heretics and blasphemers have (or should have) absolutely no expectation of a reward in heaven.

[Hezekiah]

Its comically ironic that some of these Christians are declaring atheists ignorant for suggesting Christianity is a death cult as the real ignorance appears to be with modern-day (perhaps back-sliding or worse, phony?) Christians who seem unaware of record after record of saints fervently praying with morbid bliss for, and doing whatever in their power to attain, martyrdom.

I hope you don't see me that way. I try to be very open about why I believe what I do. And I'm always open to re-evaluation of my beliefs.

[fr0d0]

Time to break out this smiley then?

[RobbyPants]

You would think that they'd be a lot more eager to see 'jesus' than they seem to be.

Perhaps they are simply full of shit?

I don't know. I've seen some really creepy juxtaposition between wanting to go to heaven and not believing they can/should kill themselves as Blackrook suggests.

There's a Christian song my wife listens to where the singer longs for death so he can go to heaven. The refrain goes "I just want to be with you. Just want this wait to be over.", and the rest is basically saying how heaven will be so rad and every minute on this earth is just dragging on.

It's fucking depressing and creepy. It comes off like some type of half-assed, non-committal suicide cult.

[Tonus]

What a stupid, retarded OP. Christians are supposed to want to live as long as possible. Otherwise, we'd all be committing suicide to get to heaven faster. Then you'd call us a death cult, so we can't win either way in the eyes of stupid atheists.

That's not what the OP was saying. He was pointing out that Christians will pray for a badly ill or injured person to recover, instead of seeing them on their way to their reward.

And if you could commit suicide and punch your ticket to heaven immediately and spend an eternity next to god, would you really care what anyone thought of your religion? You sound like you might need some convincing, still.

[Jenny A]

What a stupid, retarded OP. Christians are supposed to want to live as long as possible. Otherwise, we'd all be committing suicide to get to heaven faster. Then you'd call us a death cult, so we can't win either way in the eyes of stupid atheists.

I didn't notice anything in the Bible commanding Christians to want to live as long as possible. Yes suicide is a Christian no-no. And I understand not wanting to lose you loved ones to the grim reaper. I also understand not wanting to leave people who need you in the lurch.

But, if you really know you're going to a better place, why would you panic on the threshold between life and death? If you really know, you ought to go with joy and anticipation. That so many Christians do panic, suggests that they don't "know" god exists in the way they say they do.

Beyond the lack of faith suggested by old and ill Christians praying not to die, or just plain dying in fear, there is a fundamental problem with any religion the promises a better life after death than the present life. If the next life is better, and belief is all that's necessary to get there, what is the purpose of this life? I hear Christians saying Jesus gives their live meaning, but what kind of meaning is striving to stay alive to avoid going to a better place?

[Lek]

Beyond the lack of faith suggested by old and ill Christians praying not to die, or just plain dying in fear, there is a fundamental problem with any religion the promises a better life after death than the present life. If the next life is better, and belief is all that's necessary to get there, what is the purpose of this life? I hear Christians saying Jesus gives their live meaning, but what kind of meaning is striving to stay alive to avoid going to a better place?

Where are all these christians who are dying in fear? The christians I know are not afraid of death. I look forward to death, but not the process that leads up to it. It's normal for people to want to avoid the dying process.

[Minimalist]

What a stupid, retarded OP. Christians are supposed to want to live as long as possible. Otherwise, we'd all be committing suicide to get to heaven faster. Then you'd call us a death cult, so we can't win either way in the eyes of stupid atheists.

The reason you can't win is because you treat absurd garbage as real.