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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 7, 2014 at 4:03 pm
(October 7, 2014 at 3:58 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: Put it this way I believe that if you don't want to get pregnant don't have sex, simple.
Actions have lots of consequences. Sex may lead to pregnancy. But, pregnancy does not necessarily lead to a human child. An egg plus a sperm does not a child make. Getting rid of a fertilized egg is not a moral wrong. Wait until it become a child and we'll talk.
I see no reason to give up sex for all purposes other the pro-creation just because you think two cells are a person.
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 7, 2014 at 4:06 pm
I did post that only 5% of rapes lead to pregnancy so it doesn't explain the millions of murders committed each year in abortion clinics.
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 7, 2014 at 4:06 pm
(October 7, 2014 at 4:02 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: You generally have control over whether you have sex, the examples you gave you don't have control over them.
You missed the point. You can't just refuse to help someone because the consequences were forseeable. By your logic, we shouldn't help car crash vicitims because if they didn't want to get in a car crash, they shouldn't have been driving. It's true but its absurd.
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 7, 2014 at 4:08 pm
(October 7, 2014 at 4:02 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: (October 7, 2014 at 4:01 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: And if you don't want to get in a car crash, don't drive.
If you don't want to get mugged on your way to work, don't go to work
If you don't want to get struck by lighting, don't go outside.
Simple.
You generally have control over whether you have sex, the examples you gave you don't have control over them.
What you have here is a false analogy. Sex can lead to pregnancy and driving to accidents.
BUT we don't prohibit auto-body shops and and health care to those who drive just because accidents might happen. Why prohibit abortion to those who have sex?
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 7, 2014 at 4:09 pm
(This post was last modified: October 7, 2014 at 4:10 pm by DramaQueen.)
We shouldn't help people with methanol poisoning cause they shouldn't have been drinking is another example
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 7, 2014 at 4:09 pm
(October 7, 2014 at 4:06 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: I did post that only 5% of rapes lead to pregnancy so it doesn't explain the millions of murders committed each year in abortion clinics.
Soooo? What about those 5%?
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 7, 2014 at 4:10 pm
(October 7, 2014 at 4:06 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: I did post that only 5% of rapes lead to pregnancy so it doesn't explain the millions of murders committed each year in abortion clinics.
OK, firstly, murder is defined as one human being unlawfully killing another. So even if we agreed that a zygote was a human being (which we don't) it still wouldn't be murder because abortions are legal. Stop calling it murder.
Secondly, there are other reasons for unwanted pregnancy beside rape. These 'millions' of people who have abortions, are not getting them because they want to kill a child.
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 7, 2014 at 4:13 pm
(October 7, 2014 at 4:06 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: I did post that only 5% of rapes lead to pregnancy so it doesn't explain the millions of murders committed each year in abortion clinics.
I haven't read back over the entire thread.
Yes, only a percentage of rapes lead to pregnancy. That doesn't mean that those should be allowed but women who have sex and make mistakes shouldn't.
People have sex.
Teens have sex.
Abstinence only education does not work.
Want to reduce the number of abortions?
- Mandatory comprehensive sex education for kids from the age of 12 onwards
- Access to birth control for the same age range.
Will it stop abortions happening? No, of course not. But it will help to reduce the number.
And we have to stop teaching kids that their bodies are dirty - especially the girls.
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 7, 2014 at 4:16 pm
(October 7, 2014 at 4:06 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: You missed the point. You can't just refuse to help someone because the consequences were forseeable. By your logic, we shouldn't help car crash vicitims because if they didn't want to get in a car crash, they shouldn't have been driving. It's true but its absurd.
Wait, wait. Don't dismiss that so readily. 
There might be real merit to that . 
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 7, 2014 at 4:20 pm
(October 7, 2014 at 3:58 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: Put it this way I believe that if you don't want to get pregnant don't have sex, simple. Just wait'll you turn 13.
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