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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 11, 2014 at 8:17 am
(October 11, 2014 at 8:13 am)C4RM5 Wrote: I have given so many definations of what a human is stop asking for them.
No you bloody well haven't, again you are just lying. Now give us your definition of what a human is.
This is how I want it, I want you to write it like this:
I think a human is: _________
Or
The definition of a human is:________
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 11, 2014 at 8:17 am
(October 11, 2014 at 8:09 am)C4RM5 Wrote: Finally I know when someone has been raped and becomes pregnant but preventing someone from living is still not right.
Between 10% and 22% of pregnancies are spontaneously aborted (miscarriage) and that rate rises to over 80% with older women and men.
If there is a God, he is the most active abortionist ever.
By your logic, 'someone' is prevented from living every time a fertilized egg doesn't result in a child.
In fact, 'someone' is prevented from living every time an egg is not fertilized.
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 11, 2014 at 8:18 am
(October 11, 2014 at 8:16 am)C4RM5 Wrote: I know information about abortion but I also know what my beliefs are, the two contradict
And you know why they conflict? Because your beliefs don't match reality.
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 11, 2014 at 8:19 am
(October 11, 2014 at 8:13 am)C4RM5 Wrote: (October 11, 2014 at 8:07 am)Esquilax Wrote: So you're going the standard christian theist route of expecting rigorous academic sourcing from everyone else, while simultaneously considering your bald, fiat statements of opinion to require no factual backup at all?  I have provided factual information about rape and pregnancy, but I was just saying that Chas didn't say any facts as you claimed he did.
Do you have a reading comprehension problem or attention deficit disorder?
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 11, 2014 at 8:19 am
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Alright so foetuses die but abortions happen up to 24 weeks into the pregnancy, at that age the baby can survive birth how is that not it being alive.
(October 11, 2014 at 8:19 am)Chas Wrote: (October 11, 2014 at 8:13 am)C4RM5 Wrote: I have provided factual information about rape and pregnancy, but I was just saying that Chas didn't say any facts as you claimed he did.
Do you have a reading comprehension problem or attention deficit disorder?
No, I just don't like reading your posts,
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 11, 2014 at 8:20 am
(October 11, 2014 at 8:17 am)C4RM5 Wrote: Towards the start of the deabte I said that only 5% of rapes lead to pregnancy and I gave a link to a website that had the facts.
How the hell is that relevant to anything? We are talking about the morality of abortion and whether or not foetues are people. Your statistics are irrelevant.
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“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 11, 2014 at 8:20 am
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(October 11, 2014 at 8:18 am)Bad Wolf Wrote: (October 11, 2014 at 8:16 am)C4RM5 Wrote: I know information about abortion but I also know what my beliefs are, the two contradict
And you know why they conflict? Because your beliefs don't match reality.
I know alot of people who would agree with me on the subject of abortion.
(October 11, 2014 at 8:20 am)Bad Wolf Wrote: (October 11, 2014 at 8:17 am)C4RM5 Wrote: Towards the start of the deabte I said that only 5% of rapes lead to pregnancy and I gave a link to a website that had the facts.
How the hell is that relevant to anything? We are talking about the morality of abortion and whether or not foetues are people. Your statistics are irrelevant.
They were relevent at the time.
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 11, 2014 at 8:21 am
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(October 11, 2014 at 8:19 am)C4RM5 Wrote: Alright so foetuses die but abortions happen up to 24 weeks into the pregnancy, at that age the baby can survive birth how is that not it being alive.
(October 11, 2014 at 8:19 am)Chas Wrote: Do you have a reading comprehension problem or attention deficit disorder?
No, I just don't like reading your posts,
No, a 24-week-old fetus is generally not viable. Where did you get the idea that it is?
And if you don't read my posts, then you won't hear the facts - so don't claim I haven't provided any.
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 11, 2014 at 8:23 am
(October 11, 2014 at 8:20 am)C4RM5 Wrote: I know alot of people who would agree with me on the subject of abortion.
Argument from popularity, logical fallacy, next.
(October 11, 2014 at 8:20 am)C4RM5 Wrote: They were relevent at the time.
I'm sure they were, but for the past 20 pages now, we've been talking about whether a foetus is a person or not and whether abortions are morally right or wrong as a result. You are just being dim on purpose now.
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“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 11, 2014 at 8:23 am
(October 6, 2014 at 3:21 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: I wanted to find out everyone's views on this.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-29515305
Basically the new Health Minister said he will " stand by the rights of the unborn child.
I hate fuckers like this, it shows a complete lack of value of the rights of the girl/woman, and also a complete lack of understanding of what life is as a scientific definition.
It really simply is the sexism of antiquity, control women. That is ultimately what it is about.
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