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RE: Jews and the old testament
October 18, 2014 at 3:12 am
(October 18, 2014 at 2:38 am)Vivalarevolution Wrote: So the only laws which jesus supported were the 10 commandments OK, could you show me then where Jesus says it's OK for a woman to own property? Or for a woman to divorce her husband? Of for a daughter to receive an inheritance? Or where he says that men can no longer own concubines to be their sex slaves?
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50. -LINK
The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke
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RE: Jews and the old testament
October 18, 2014 at 5:01 am
Its pretty clear that not a single stroke or letter should pass from the law, Orthodox Christian. (forgive me but I haven't encountered your version of Christianity before). I am slightly affronted that you seem to believe we all disbelieve Christianity for non reasons. What say you to Min's post? Did you read my post? Jesus makes it abundantly clear that you're wrong, sir. How about addressing these two that I already quoted?
"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)
Did he or did he not, when Pharisees called him out for not washing his hands before eating, say in response, that since they haven't killed their own kids they should shut it?
“He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” (Matthew 15:4-7)
He also says it here: Mark.7:9-13 "Whoever curses father or mother shall die" (Mark 7:10 NAB)
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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RE: Jews and the old testament
October 18, 2014 at 5:07 am
(October 17, 2014 at 11:49 pm)Vivalarevolution Wrote:
Let me ask you a very simple question (in three easy parts):
Do you believe in a literal Exodus? In Moses literally receiving the ten commandments directly from Jehovah? Do you believe in the ancient Israelites conquest of Canaan (i.e. the entry into the promised land)?
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50. -LINK
The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke
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RE: Jews and the old testament
October 18, 2014 at 5:12 am
(This post was last modified: October 18, 2014 at 5:12 am by Lemonvariable72.)
(October 17, 2014 at 11:49 pm)Vivalarevolution Wrote: Hey all!
I'm an orthodox Christian and just wanted to know both sides of the religious arguments.
This is my first post.
So my first question is- Why are only Christians asked about the OT narratives? I mean the stoning of adulterers and all. Jesus stopped the stoning of the woman, among other things and showed a newer and better way to live. That story is probably the best in the bible, unfortunately it does not appear in transcripts previous to the 9th century
Quote:No one asks Jews what they think of the old testament. It's THEIR book (Tanakh). Now seriously I don't hate Jews or have anything against them. But why are Christians accused of following a god who kills people and orders them to stone homosexuals when the Jews follow the same god.
When was the last time a jew tried to convert you? Never? Thats about why.
Quote:Atleast we have the NT after that.
Yes and jesus said that heaven and earth shall pass away before the slightest pen stroke shall disappear from the law.
Quote:I know what many people will reply with- Only Christians shove their beliefs down everyone else's throats. But no . . . even non proselytizing Christians ( Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox) are accused to a fair extent of believing in a god that orders all that.
Well thats because you do believe in a god that orders all that. And the last time a group said they thought the god of the NT and the god of OT were different gods the Roman Catholics tried to kill them all.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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Jews and the old testament
October 18, 2014 at 5:16 am
(This post was last modified: October 18, 2014 at 5:17 am by Bibliofagus.)
The only jew I met and asked agreed that jahweh is a prick. And that was a dude all dressed up jewish.
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RE: Jews and the old testament
October 18, 2014 at 5:17 am
(This post was last modified: October 18, 2014 at 5:22 am by Aractus.)
(October 18, 2014 at 5:12 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: That story is probably the best in the bible, unfortunately it does not appear in transcripts previous to the 9th century Ooh, that's true that the passage is an addition - however - he's Orthodox and doesn't believe in textual criticism. It's of the DEVIL!! The DEVIL I say!
[nitpick] Also, it's in the 4th century Vulgate, and the 5th century Codex Bezae (Greek manuscript), and some other 3rd century text as well - so you don't have to wait all the way until the 9th century to find it! 
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50. -LINK
The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke
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RE: Jews and the old testament
October 18, 2014 at 5:20 am
(This post was last modified: October 18, 2014 at 5:23 am by Lemonvariable72.)
As an aside I find your username rather interesting. That phrase dates to the french revolution which was staunchly opposed by the upper clergy of the church. To the point where they locked the peasant representatives out of the estates general in 1789.
(October 18, 2014 at 5:17 am)Aractus Wrote: (October 18, 2014 at 5:12 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: That story is probably the best in the bible, unfortunately it does not appear in transcripts previous to the 9th century Ooh, that's true that the verse is an addition - however - he's Orthodox and doesn't believe in textual criticism. It's of the DEVIL!! The DEVIL I say!
Wait wasn't the 9th century after the schism? Forgive me I don't recall now
(October 18, 2014 at 5:17 am)Aractus Wrote: (October 18, 2014 at 5:12 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: That story is probably the best in the bible, unfortunately it does not appear in transcripts previous to the 9th century Ooh, that's true that the passage is an addition - however - he's Orthodox and doesn't believe in textual criticism. It's of the DEVIL!! The DEVIL I say!
[nitpick] Also, it's in the 4th century Vulgate, and the 5th century Codex Bezae (Greek manuscript), and some other 3rd century text as well - so you don't have to wait all the way until the 9th century to find it!
iirc, in the earlier texts it appears in the margins, not the gospel itself.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: Jews and the old testament
October 18, 2014 at 5:24 am
Yes but as I just pointed out (in a sneaky edit) you grossly overestimated when it first appears!
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50. -LINK
The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke
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RE: Jews and the old testament
October 18, 2014 at 5:27 am
(October 18, 2014 at 5:24 am)Aractus Wrote: Yes but as I just pointed out (in a sneaky edit) you grossly overestimated when it first appears!
I should have clairified, as it does not appear in the gospel itself until well into the dark ages. But your correct that it appeared in some margins earlier. Still a shame that the best moral lesson in the whole bible is a addon
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: Jews and the old testament
October 18, 2014 at 5:48 am
The parable of the good Samaritan is one of the best moral teachings and is not an addition.
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50. -LINK
The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke
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