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Why do Christians trust the Bible?
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 (October 20, 2014 at 2:37 pm)Jenny A Wrote:(October 20, 2014 at 2:35 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: It's a "he" if you please  (October 20, 2014 at 2:33 pm)Vivalarevolution Wrote: And while I feel that my contribution in this thread is going to come to a close soon (since there isn't any debatable ground left) I would like to thank you all of you for making me challenge myself. I thought up all the answers to your questions in this thread by myself and I must say, I've discovered how much I really know. But now you've come to the most interesting part of all - is faith a valid and reliable way to know things? Do you think you have actual knowledge of Jesus doing miracles or are you pretending to know things you don't actually know? And why would that be a valid way of seeing the world?  (October 20, 2014 at 2:41 pm)Vivalarevolution Wrote: It's a "he" if you please Sorry, but neither your name your profile discloses your gender.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
(October 20, 2014 at 2:43 pm)JesusHChrist Wrote:(October 20, 2014 at 2:33 pm)Vivalarevolution Wrote: And while I feel that my contribution in this thread is going to come to a close soon (since there isn't any debatable ground left) I would like to thank you all of you for making me challenge myself. I thought up all the answers to your questions in this thread by myself and I must say, I've discovered how much I really know. Good question. I really want to answer this but it's night time where I live and the reply is going to take a while. So tomorrow definitely  (October 20, 2014 at 2:33 pm)Vivalarevolution Wrote: Now thanks to debating with you guys and asking myself questions I didn't know the answers to, my faith is stronger than everThat is what is known as "the backfire effect." When our most deeply-held convictions are challenged, we grip them even more tightly. The result being that we are more convinced that those beliefs are true than we were before they were challenged.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould  Quote:is faith a valid and reliable way to know things? Faith is merely a convenient way to know nothing.  (October 20, 2014 at 12:10 pm)Vivalarevolution Wrote: Are you sure all those people knew how to write?They were peasants in the middle east 2000 years agoAt the time of the New Testament, literary rates were very high by ancient standards.
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50. -LINK
The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK "That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke 
Viva, you're getting bombarded pretty hard, so no rush in your response to this question, if you choose to-
It seems that you are either in agreement with the bible not being a faithful historical document or you are willing to see that it's at least questionable. It's difficult for me to quote from a separate page on my phone, so forgive me for paraphrasing you here. You said something like "The bible isn't to be taken literal, it's just a way to express the glory of God." So, where the bible says David went through and conquered Canaan, we know through archeological methods that this isn't a faithful historical record, but you would say it shows the glory of God. Obviously, my question would be- If this didn't actually happen, how does this display God's glory, or anything about him for that matter? An optional follow-up question: If most of the Bible is found to be false or, at best, unreliable, where does that leave God, given that the Bible is the only place he is described? And finally, a question I might aim directly towards you: Why Christianity? Why YWH? There are plenty of religious texts that can be read non-literally, but believed anyhow. Have you just not read these other texts?
I can't remember where this verse is from, I think it got removed from canon:
"I don't hang around with mostly men because I'm gay. It's because men are better than women. Better trained, better equipped...better. Just better! I'm not gay." For context, this is the previous verse: "Hi Jesus" -robvalue (October 20, 2014 at 7:28 pm)Aractus Wrote:(October 20, 2014 at 12:10 pm)Vivalarevolution Wrote: Are you sure all those people knew how to write?They were peasants in the middle east 2000 years agoAt the time of the New Testament, literary rates were very high by ancient standards. If by that you mean that 95% couldn't read shit, then I agree. |
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