A Mystic Friend

[Chas]

The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift. Albert Einstein

No, he never said that.

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Ummm ..

Maybe define what you mean by "are one with". Not an auspicious beginning.

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That's better. Whether or not Albert said it it is fine quote and I second the sentiment.

Yep, thank god for old Albert Einstein, he would have understood what I am trying to put into words, he was a true mystic.

Albert Einstein a true mystic? Only in your made-up quote world.

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The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift. Albert Einstein

A good quote, I read it like "The intuitive mind is a gift and the rational mind is a good friend you can count on. We should create a society that values both"

Einstein never said that, so it is not a quote at all, let alone a good one.

[psychoslice]

Na, Einstein was a great mystic, if he was here today on this forum, you would be laughing at him.

[Whateverist]

Einstein never said that[/url], so it is not a quote at all, let alone a good one.

That's why I said I liked the quote -whether or not Einstein said it. Obviously someone said it and most likely it wasn't Einstein. But what the quote says is true and important.

[psychoslice]

The most beautiful and most profound experience is the sensation of the mystical. It is the sower of all true science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead. To know that what is impenetrable to us really exists, manifesting itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty which our dull faculties can comprehend only in their primitive forms - this knowledge, this feeling is at the center of true religiousness.
( Albert Einstein - The Merging of Spirit and Science)

[bearheart]

The most beautiful and most profound experience is the sensation of the mystical. It is the sower of all true science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead. To know that what is impenetrable to us really exists, manifesting itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty which our dull faculties can comprehend only in their primitive forms - this knowledge, this feeling is at the center of true religiousness.
( Albert Einstein - The Merging of Spirit and Science)

The quote is humble enough to acknowledge not knowing everything, unlike the frequent mystical claims to have discovered truth and everything through "an experience". As I said before an experience is very qualitative, subjective and truth cannot be deduced from experience alone.

We need to expand what "religion" stands for, this word should grow out of its metaphysical and supernatural origins, and should represent the way an individual looks at and behaves in his environment.

[psychoslice]

The most beautiful and most profound experience is the sensation of the mystical. It is the sower of all true science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead. To know that what is impenetrable to us really exists, manifesting itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty which our dull faculties can comprehend only in their primitive forms - this knowledge, this feeling is at the center of true religiousness.
( Albert Einstein - The Merging of Spirit and Science)

The quote is humble enough to acknowledge not knowing everything, unlike the frequent mystical claims to have discovered truth and everything through "an experience". As I said before an experience is very qualitative, subjective and truth cannot be deduced from experience alone.

We need to expand what "religion" stands for, this word should grow out of its metaphysical and supernatural origins, and should represent the way an individual looks at and behaves in his environment.

Of course truth cannot be deduced from experience alone, the experience of truth is secondary to that which was experienced, we can never know of truth as a mind body organism. We as an organism can only know what we know through our senses, as all other organisms do. The world is much different to other organisms, they can only know what they know through their senses just like us.

So what is truth ?, and who's truth is truth ?.

[bearheart]

The quote is humble enough to acknowledge not knowing everything, unlike the frequent mystical claims to have discovered truth and everything through "an experience". As I said before an experience is very qualitative, subjective and truth cannot be deduced from experience alone.

We need to expand what "religion" stands for, this word should grow out of its metaphysical and supernatural origins, and should represent the way an individual looks at and behaves in his environment.

Of course truth cannot be deduced from experience alone, the experience of truth is secondary to that which was experienced, we can never know of truth as a mind body organism. We as an organism can only know what we know through our senses, as all other organisms do. The world is much different to other organisms, they can only know what they know through their senses just like us.

So what is truth ?, and who's truth is truth ?.

How do you know the world is much different for other organisms? Which sense helped you deduce that conclusion? I agree the world is perceived differently by all life.

From my perspective, finding the truth is a means to explain why things are the way they are. In the context of the physical environment its to keep progressing into the depths of our understanding of the laws of nature .In the context of human consciousness it is the endeavor to find a solution so as to create a society where everyone (all life) is happy.Happiness requires a myriad of ingredients, unhappiness included.

[psychoslice]

yes on one level I agree with that, on another level I see a universal Consciousness that drives everything, this Consciousness is beyond what the mind can ever perceive, but its still there, and we can tap into it, we can taste a little of it even though we are that which IS. This universal Consciousness is what is experienced by the so called Enlightenment or Awakening experience. Its like a fish chasing the ocean, not realizing it is already in the ocean, and part of the ocean, so the same as we, we are the ocean, or Consciousness, we live in it, it lives in us, and all is one in IT.

[bearheart]

yes on one level I agree with that, on another level I see a universal Consciousness that drives everything, this Consciousness is beyond what the mind can ever perceive, but its still there, and we can tap into it, we can taste a little of it even though we are that which IS. This universal Consciousness is what is experienced by the so called Enlightenment or Awakening experience. Its like a fish chasing the ocean, not realizing it is already in the ocean, and part of the ocean, so the same as we, we are the ocean, or Consciousness, we live in it, it lives in us, and all is one in IT.

Since we have evolved from this universe to survive in the same, the process of evolution will equip us to understand the truth. Language and machines also being evolution. Perhaps It may not be us, it could be some other species, or may be some other species has already done so!
Concerning universal consciousness, don’t you think a universal ecosystem is a more apt term for the same? Everything is someway inter connected in an ecosystem.Its more plausible for these interconnections to be on the lines of dependencies for survival than a single consciousness trying to do something. If it were so, its doing a very bad job and does not deserve the flattering attributes we often give it.Its not self aware and is powerless on how its existence unfolds through the laws of nature.
In this vastly interconnected world, there is a collective consciousness which represents ideologies, nations and communities, but this need not be confused with a supernatural universal consciousness.

[psychoslice]

Hi bearheart, I think we are saying the same thing, but for me the only difference is that I believe in a universal Consciousness that everything arises from and disappears back to, its no supernatural, and we cannot know it by knowledge, its beyond the mind. The mind wants to know everything, it cannot let something be mysterious, or something we will never know as a mind body organism. So here we differ, and that's ok, its great to have our own perception of things instead of following everyone else's.