Feminism and Gaming

[DeistPaladin]

By your method of interpretation - completely ignoring context - the woman can tell him to stay away from her. After all, it's her body. She owns it. She can do with it as she pleases.

Actually, the verse says he belongs to her as well but that only means she gets to rape him back. Cold comfort for women, I should think. In any event, my quoting only the relevant part of the verse was justifiable brevity.

[downbeatplumb]

But can she support me?

http://bf4stats.com/ps3/venuspagina
retired that guy

hit me up:
http://bf4stats.com/ps3/MyBhole69-420
made this guy about a week ago

hit me up I'm a baller. I don't care if you have a vag. Makes no difference!

Edit for Insanity to bask in my glory! Not premium!

Is this Klingon?

[TaraJo]

Wow. I was away for a while and this thread kinda exploded.

Feminists are becoming to gamers what Atheism+ is to atheists. I think that's the short answer of what's happening. I look forward to them making their own little space where they can be "gamers" and leave everyone else the fuck alone.

I've watched the gamergate shitstorm for a while and I'm solidly on the gamergate side of things. Yet the mainstream media seems to buy into the idea that we're all a bunch of misogynists and haters. I have honestly lost count the number of times I've had to tell people I don't support threats or doxxing. I support gamergate because I think there is a serious need for change in gaming journalism when multiple gaming sites all publish articles with titles like "death to gamers" or "gamers are dead" and they do it all on the same day. Aren't gamers supposed to be their audience? Aren't we their customers? Are they actually attacking the people who allowed them to build their business? Something is seriously wrong here; not only do I support boycotting the sites who wish my death, but I also support informing their advertisers about the boycott.

Gamergate has also donated a tremendous amount to charity. I don't know exactly how much has been donated because it keeps increasing. Last I checked was a week or so ago and it was over $30,000 then. The charities they've given to have been note worthy, too. They've donated to anti-bullying charities, they've donated to help women get into gaming (look up the Fine Young Capitalists campaign), they've donated to suicide prevention charities.... these aren't the acts of people who support doxxing and threats.

I can't say I'm surprised the media is against us, though; this whole shitstorm started with gaming media and I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised if some of them have enough connections with the mainstream media to get them on our side or at least to know how to spin something in such a way that they're on our side. Hell, just getting the feminists on their side got most progressive news sources lined up against us.

But I obviously don't hate women in gaming. Heck, I would like to see more women in gaming. What I don't like in gaming is annoying, abrasive whiners who are always insisting everything is oppression. I don't want to sit here and listen to someone give me a 20 minute lecture about how Bayonetta is sexist or how Laura Croft is so much better with smaller boobs. And I don't want us to tokenize video game characters to the point that we're more worried about representing every group than we are about producing a quality game with good controls and an interesting story.

Sure, I think there are jerks in the video game world and there are misogynists in the video game world. But I also don't think Anita Sarkeesian or Zoe Quinn are the ones who are going to be able to fix their problems. They have no understanding of pragmatism. They have no interest in listening to any viewpoint outside of their own (evidenced by their tendancy to block people on twitter and Anita's videos having no rating or comments allowed and conversations about gamergate being censored on reddit, 4chan and multiple other sites). If you can find someone who's willing to have a conversation with us instead of just standing on their soapbox and chastising us, ok, yeah, that might help some.

[bennyboy]

Yeah, the idea that games should reflect reality is kind of fucked-up. As for feminists-- when the self-expression you are struggling to earn is the power to limit the self-expression of others, what can be said? That's fucking hypocritical. Female toons are exaggeratedly "perfect" and totally unrealistic because that's what males' brains get excited by. And all throughout evolution we see this-- that if you artificially exaggerate peacock plumage, the hens get excited. Or if you exaggerate the yellow dot on a mother seagull's beak, the baby birds get more excited.

So this particular brand of feminism, which refuses to ignore biological reality and its expression in games, is stupid. Equality for women doesn't mean forcing men to live in a world custom-tailored to suit the noisiest women's sensibilities.

[Violet]

Second to the last one is alright.

Nathan Drake *is* pretty hot, not gonna lie... and does he get it on? Ohhh Losty: does he ever!

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As Alice noted, games could be played with characters made only of basic shapes.

How boring that would be.

Well, that's what you would think... and then:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-_qlaywKBs

And...

Pac Man. Yeah, wait, sorry: Mrs. Pac Man. Wanna talk about feminism and freaking gaming, ugh.

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What the hell. No. The verse itself is bad. The blame goes to whoever wrote such a shitty verse that can so easily be interpreted as permission to rape your spouse. I actually think your interpretation of it makes much less sense. Besides I just said that I wish people wouldn't quote the verse so much. It haunted my life for way too many years and I hate it.

I'm not seeing where in the verse it explicitly states that one ought go and rape their wife when their wife isn't feeling it. People tend to look for *anything* that will "justify" their doing something that they are lead to believe is morally wrong... anything such that they can convince themselves that they're better than they are.

What's disgusting is not a couple of lines in a book, any book, no matter what those lines say... what is disgusting is people raping...

And what is loathsome is when they can't even own up to themselves, and cite *something else* as their justification for it. How many rapists can look themselves in the eye and say something along the lines of 'I raped that skanky little bitch because I wanted to fuck their innards out of their asshole.'

Not so many are willing to claim themselves as *a* reason for the rape, let alone *the*.

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Actually, the verse says he belongs to her as well but that only means she gets to rape him back. Cold comfort for women, I should think. In any event, my quoting only the relevant part of the verse was justifiable brevity.

I think you underestimate the number of female rapists. And regardless, the line of argument holds up: would you thrash your own body around such that you will leave bruises, and possibly broken/fractured bones, simply for a quick thrill? Or threaten yourself with your children should you not do as you say to yourself?

As it's your own body, I can't imagine it was that difficult to do... but they're hurting themselves if they are to use this verse for such a ridiculous conclusion as rape.