Obamacare written to deceive the public.

[Heywood]

MSNBC now picking up the story.

http://www.msnbc.com/all/president-obama...h-care-law

“I think it’s fair to say there was not a provision in the health care law that was not extensively debated and was fully transparent – it was a tough debate,” Obama said.

Does anyone really believe Obama's claim here that the provisions of the health care law were debated extensively and fully transparent? Is Obama just trying to once again take advantage of the stupidity of the American public?

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It would suck if people didn't go broke paying for what we all will need. Naw, if you cant pay, die quickly the rich need their tax breaks.

It is absolutely sick that it took less than a week for congress to bail out the banks and car companies but over a year to come up with the Affordable Care Act, modeled after Mitt Romney's plan.

Stop selling your lies here. No other 1rst world westernized country allows to the same degree we do, corporate goons to control their markets. They are still open societies with political pluralism and they still allow for business. What they do not do is allow big business to have absolute power over their governments like we do here.

Health care is something all of us need. You stupidly support a system that criminalizes poverty that pads the profits of CEOS and shareholders. Now again, no one here is fooled by your shell game. You do not get to decide for the rest of us how our economy works.

Your right wing libertarian garbage will not sell here.

Actually Brian37, you are taking the exact same position of Gruber. You would rather have the law than not....and if lying and taking advantage of the stupidity of the American public will help you pass that law....that's perfectly okay.

Well its not okay.

[simplemoss]

Wtf is this bullshit he's on about now? I'm guessing this was on fox news all last night, had to be, the videos two fucking years old. Why is it everytime I hear some made up bullshit argument from a teabagger its always because fox covered it for 3 hours the night before. Fucking propaganda made up bullshit

[Ryantology]

blah blah blah i wish poor people would just die already blah blah blah

[Heywood]

Wtf is this bullshit he's on about now? I'm guessing this was on fox news all last night, had to be, the videos two fucking years old. Why is it everytime I hear some made up bullshit argument from a teabagger its always because fox covered it for 3 hours the night before. Fucking propaganda made up bullshit

Its on Fox, CNN, and MSNBC now. CNN and MSNBC decided to cover the story over the weekend when nobody is paying attention....because they try to protect Obama....but that is another story.

And this isn't made up bullshit. Gruber admits to saying these things(how can he deny it...there is video). Of course he is trying to spin at as some off the cuff remark but that explanation doesn't fly. There are several videos of Gruber saying the same thing which suggests a well entrenched state of mind.

Pelosi and others are trying to distance themselves by saying they don't even know who Gruber is...but there is video from 2009 of Pelosi asking people to read Gruber's analysis of the bill. Further....Gruber was paid $400,000 dollars by the administration to help write this bill. If he didn't help write this bill....what was he paid to do?

Obama is lying to you when he says the bill was created in a transparent manner. It was not and now someone behind the curtain got caught bragging that it was not. Yet you on the left just want to forget about it....because you'd rather have the bill than not. If deceiving the American people is the only way to get the bill passed....then its okay to deceive the American people seems to be your position.

You're right...this isn't something new from the left. Its typical leftist elitism and end justifying the means that we have seen over and over and over. Then you wonder why you got routed in the last election. Why do the American people hate you? If you don't know...you're obtuse.

[Ryantology]

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[Aractus]

He'd rather have this law than not.....so its written in such a way as to take advantage of the "stupidity" of the american public.

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Now Gruber claims that he was making an off the cuff remark....and Nancy Pelosi is claiming she doesn't know who he is. But now there are several more videos of Gruber saying the same thing...indicating it is his state of mind....and there is video of Pelosi praising Gruber...so her claim she doesn't know him is also a lie.

Did the administration and or the democrats try to take advantage of the stupidity of the american people in order to give their friends in the Health Insurance industry the ultimate government gift?

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You're an idiot.

For one thing, I study public health, so I can tell you that the main things Obama would be looking at is healthcare cost, the value for money, and the accessibility to the system overall.

He would have seen graphs like these:




And much much more importantly he would have seen these OECD graphs:





They show that the USA is in serious need of public health reform. However these are not the graphs he's targeting with Obamacare, this is the graph that Obamacare targets:



It isn't going to bring you to 100% at all, but it will raise the percentage because more businesses will be forced to provide healthcare for their workers. It's a step in the right direction, it's not enough, but it's a start.

[Heywood]

You're an idiot.

You're a dipshit....why? Because we are discussing whether or not the administration deceived the American people and treated them as stupid inorder to get this bill passed. What we are not talking about is whether or not Obamacare is good or bad or if the health care system in the United States need reform.

If I was Obama, I would have taken the money and instead of giving it to wealthy health insurance companies.....I would have gone out and built some hospitals and trained up doctors. I would have provided the people with healthcare and not healthcare insurance......but that's just me.

[abaris]

What we are not talking about is whether or not Obamacare is good or bad.

Ah, so that's irrelevant to the story.

[Heywood]

What we are not talking about is whether or not Obamacare is good or bad.

Ah, so that's irrelevant to the story.

It relevant as long as you hold the belief that you wanted this bill passed rather than not and that alone justifies lying and purposely deceiving the American public,

[Lao Shizi]

America is full of stupid people.