Obamacare written to deceive the public.

[downbeatplumb]

Obama would be too right wing to get along over here.
Over there, he at least is not as rabidly right wing as the frankly insane republicans.
There is not a potential republican candidate I would trust with scissors let alone a nuclear arsenal.

Obama would make a perfect conservative in Europe. At least in some countries. The only difference being, our politcal systems, at least for the most part, aren't two party systems and they aren't majority based in the sense of the winner taking it all. So our conservatives have to enter coalitions and have to seek the consent of at least one other party in the government.

Ours is basically a two party winner take all system. This is the first coalition for decades and by selling their souls to the tories the Lib Dems have soiled their brand and are losing deposits on all elections. They are now irrelevant after being the phantom "third Party" for years.

[abaris]

Ours is basically a two party winner take all system. This is the first coalition for decades and by selling their souls to the tories the Lib Dems have soiled their brand and are losing deposits on all elections. They are now irrelevant after being the phantom "third Party" for years.

That's why I said for the most part. The UK is obviously an exemption and I don't know anything about the system in the Irish republic.

[Brian37]

Guys, it is pointless with Ayn Rand thinkers to ask them for numbers. I agree with them that their numbers do work. Where they go wrong is the same selection bias and cherry picking theists suffer from. "For who" do those numbers work.

It is the same cherry picking that both left and right theists forget. It isn't that their numbers do not exist, it is that they are not taking in enough sample rate or control groups.

Point of view is a very evolutionary thought process. We are all going to argue for our points of view. The part he misses and what we should be arguing is not "either/or", but the 3rd option which is DIVERSITY in economics which takes into account all the conditions without the selection bias. He refuses to see that things are not as simple as "everything will be ok if everyone would repeat the pattern I advocate for".

Evolution never works like that.

[DeistPaladin]

I'm sure barack would be happier governing your country than he is ruining ours.

Excuse me?

Which party lied us into the ruinous quagmire in Iraq, a disaster that is still paying dividends?

Which party crashed our economy in 2008?

Which party has managed to get nothing done on purpose since taking control of the House?

Which party shut down the government costing our economy some $24 billion in damages?

Which party nearly destroyed the country in Oct 2013 when they threatened to deliberately default on our debt in an act of political extortion? There was a big faction in the GOP that was crazy enough to do it, too. My jackass Senator Rand Paul was among those who voted at the 11th hour to press the button and have everything go up in an economic mushroom cloud.

"Give us what we want or Uncle Sam here gets a bullet in the head!"

The Republicans have done more damage to America than Osama Bin Laden could have ever dreamed of.

[Brian37]

I'm sure barack would be happier governing your country than he is ruining ours.

Excuse me?

Which party lied us into the ruinous quagmire in Iraq, a disaster that is still paying dividends?

Which party crashed our economy in 2008?

Which party has managed to get nothing done on purpose since taking control of the House?

Which party shut down the government costing our economy some $24 billion in damages?

Which party nearly destroyed the country in Oct 2013 when they threatened to deliberately default on our debt in an act of political extortion? There was a big faction in the GOP that was crazy enough to do it, too. My jackass Senator Rand Paul was among those who voted at the 11th hour to press the button and have everything go up in an economic mushroom cloud.

"Give us what we want or Uncle Sam here gets a bullet in the head!"

The Republicans have done more damage to America than Osama Bin Laden could have ever dreamed of.

AGAIN lets take a long term approach as to WHY flawed perceptions happened. Because people see what they want to see.

The kneejerk affect of flawed perceptions is what cause a revolution to go to a more open society to a closed society or a more closed society to a more open society. The real reason you cannot blindly accept any blanket economic solution is that we are missing what is really going on. A shift of wealth from one part of a society to another part of society.

The cause of the Russian revolution was a lack of resources. Stalin played off a populist attitude and simply shifted class wealth to party wealth. Our oligarchy now is no different. In this case instead of one party monopolizing government, you have one class monopolizing government. But in both cases you still have wealth driving both.

So it is not a matter of riding society of wealth, it is a matter of enforcing anti monopolies by ANY aspect of society. Neither one political party, or one religion, or one class, or one economic view should have any right to a monopoly.

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Numbers, please?

I cited my claim. Just because you decided to edit out my citation doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

You "my way or the highway and if someone competes with me i am going to accuse them of what I am doing in reality". Same mentality a bully has, when they get challenged they suddenly play victim.

NOW again, the part you keep missing is that we are NOT going to argue that your claim does not exist. Just like conspiracy crap, what we are doubting is your interpretation of the data. What we are doubting is your perception of what you think works.

Wealth does do good things and no one should argue that. What we are arguing is that CURRENTLY far too much of that class lives in a bubble. I do not want the private sector to go away, I do want wealth to do things differently.

Again, if your numbers worked like you would want to claim, there would be no bitching. In evolution in other primates we see more calm and more cooperation, WHEN the individuals overall are balanced and the inequity is not lopsided to a unsustainable degree. No one should live in a utopia thinking no inequity should happen. But your mentality is a competition to the bottom, healthy competition raises everyone.

When we talk about equality, we are not talking about no inequity at all. When we talk about equality, we are talking about not making your class the absolute patent holder of all human morality.

There is room for everyone, but it will work better for everyone and more people if we stop repeating 30 years of allowing one class a monopoly of how our laws work.

[A Theist]

I'm sure barack would be happier governing your country than he is ruining ours.

Excuse me?

Which party lied us into the ruinous quagmire in Iraq, a disaster that is still paying dividends?

Which party crashed our economy in 2008?

Which party has managed to get nothing done on purpose since taking control of the House?

Which party shut down the government costing our economy some $24 billion in damages?

Which party nearly destroyed the country in Oct 2013 when they threatened to deliberately default on our debt in an act of political extortion? There was a big faction in the GOP that was crazy enough to do it, too. My jackass Senator Rand Paul was among those who voted at the 11th hour to press the button and have everything go up in an economic mushroom cloud.

"Give us what we want or Uncle Sam here gets a bullet in the head!"

The Republicans have done more damage to America than Osama Bin Laden could have ever dreamed of.

...and which party did the voters elect to win the State and National mid-terms?

[downbeatplumb]

...and which party did the voters elect to win the State and National mid-terms?

No one said Americans were smart.

[abaris]

...and which party did the voters elect to win the State and National mid-terms?

And how many of the 35 percent actually moving their asses to the ballots?

[Brian37]

Excuse me?

Which party lied us into the ruinous quagmire in Iraq, a disaster that is still paying dividends?

Which party crashed our economy in 2008?

Which party has managed to get nothing done on purpose since taking control of the House?

Which party shut down the government costing our economy some $24 billion in damages?

Which party nearly destroyed the country in Oct 2013 when they threatened to deliberately default on our debt in an act of political extortion? There was a big faction in the GOP that was crazy enough to do it, too. My jackass Senator Rand Paul was among those who voted at the 11th hour to press the button and have everything go up in an economic mushroom cloud.

"Give us what we want or Uncle Sam here gets a bullet in the head!"

The Republicans have done more damage to America than Osama Bin Laden could have ever dreamed of.

...and which party did the voters elect to win the State and National mid-terms?

Holy crap, you really do not look at long term data. You look at our habits as voters we tend to flip. That is not an endorsement of your party, it is an attempt to break the gridlock. They were not saying "do what republicans want" they were saying " fucking get something done". Parties flip and you look long term this happens.

It isn't that you won as much as democratic apathy in midterms. We have the numbers and you look long term, progressive attitudes win. What holds us back is the same damned dark side of evolution greed and power.

I only blame democratic voters for their apathy. If we had been as motivated as we had been with Obama's elections in midterms you would have had your asses handed to you.

[Heywood]

I'm sure barack would be happier governing your country than he is ruining ours.

Excuse me?

Which party lied us into the ruinous quagmire in Iraq, a disaster that is still paying dividends?

Which party crashed our economy in 2008?

Which party has managed to get nothing done on purpose since taking control of the House?

Which party shut down the government costing our economy some $24 billion in damages?

Which party nearly destroyed the country in Oct 2013 when they threatened to deliberately default on our debt in an act of political extortion? There was a big faction in the GOP that was crazy enough to do it, too. My jackass Senator Rand Paul was among those who voted at the 11th hour to press the button and have everything go up in an economic mushroom cloud.

"Give us what we want or Uncle Sam here gets a bullet in the head!"

The Republicans have done more damage to America than Osama Bin Laden could have ever dreamed of.

You can pretty much blame both parties for these things.

But you can only blame the democrats for using the IRS to target conservative groups in the hope of decreasing conservative turnout thereby stealing elections.