MERGED: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1) & (Part 2)

[Jenny A]

Is all this supposed to have some relevance to the "resurrection of Jesus Christ", or are we chasing the herrings again?

I'd like to move on but apparently there is still some pockets of resistance that needs to be taken care of.

Obviously some strange new meaning of pockets in which the pockets are bigger than the pants.

[The Grand Nudger]

Danke Min, wasn't there a bit of an interruption in his military career during the last few years of Nero..-or am I thinking of someone else? I also recalled Pliny the Elder as having been immensely popular directly after Nero's death but I couldn't source it - so I thought maybe I misremembered?

(I''ll be damned if we're not going to get some actual history into this thread)

[Minimalist]

IIRC, Pliny the Younger wrote that Pliny the Elder served as a junior officer, (under Corbulo, in Germania?) and then left the service during Nero's reign. He may have been laying low and Nero's reign was a good time for it.

When Flavius Vespasianus became emperor, Pliny came out of "retirement" and served as provincial governor ( procurator) in various locales during Vespasian's reign and then was given command of the fleet at Misenum by Vespasian shortly before the latter's death. It was probably intended as a reward. Ended up getting him killed.


I agree with you about getting some real history into the thread. It wasn't going to happen on Shitstain's watch.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Pliny the Elder - a military officer (and famous author in his own right) who probably ended his career sometime during the waning years of Nero's reign.

Pliny the Elder died during the 79AD eruption of Vesuvius. He was commander of the Roman fleet at the naval base of Miseunum on the Bay of Naples at the time and tried to rescue a friend at Stabiae. He didn't make it.

Anyway, he was still going strong right up until the time he met an angry volcano!

God was clearly angry at his obstinate refusal to document Christ for the sake of an Internet argument.

[Ravenshire]

I was beginning to feel left out because shit-stain is ignoring me. Then I remembered, it's a standard tactic for these dimwits.

Poor bastard's just too dumb to know when his ass is getting kicked.

[Minimalist]

[His_Majesty]

A lot of rambling going on in there. Not sure how you drew the conclusion that those accounts have competing views.

But.....you...should....be. It's your "case for christ". I shouldn't have to bring this to your attention since you deigned to include it, but..

....like so-

Pliny the younger was the nephew of Pliny the Elder - a military officer (and famous author in his own right) who probably ended his career sometime during the waning years of Nero's reign. You might remember him, supposedly he persecuted christians (so sayeth tacitus and suetonius) to some hilarious degree. Pliny the Younger (and his uncle) were well educated members of the aristocracy and so between them both a number of important positions were held. P the Y was particularly accomplished - he's essentially a case study in roman social strata (due to his being so well documented), who wound up the governor of a place in modern day Turkey.

In case any of this has flown over your head lets sum this up, in reference to the text you hope to use to establish the existence of some "jesus christ".

A well educated and well placed man who was the nephew of a senior military officer during the reign of Nero - who lived and governed in modern day turkey (after a successful legal career all over the region)- didn't seem to know a godamned thing about the christians - and had certainly never been to a trial of a single one of them- who are supposedly all the way to Rome by the time of his writing, being persecuted (and having been persecuted)- and just generally causing trouble all over the place with their well attested and famous ideology and messiah.

But it gets deeper, what was Trajans response to Pliny regarding christians? Calm and tolerant jurisprudence. He told him not to seek them out, he told him not to condemn them on the finger pointing of others, and he told Pliny that if they so much as paid token to Rome all would be dismissed.

-and you'll get every fucking ounce of that from your own source......that you clearly never read.

Any questions?

Again, as I previously said...my main source for the Christian persecution was from Tactius, because he is giving an account that took place much earlier than the time of Pliny..so of course I will go with the earlier account first.

So basically, everything you just said is completely irrelevant, because I had previously told you what I am basing my account on..yet you ignored it to continue this irrelevant tirade that means nothing.

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I was beginning to feel left out because shit-stain is ignoring me.

If you noticed it, then it must be working.

Then I remembered, it's a standard tactic for these dimwits.

Looks like to me as if you should of figure that part out first...or are you that ass backwards?

Poor bastard's just too dumb to know when his ass is getting kicked.

Getting my ass kicked by who? Damn sure not you

[LastPoet]

Getting my ass kicked by who? Damn sure not you

In an intellectual manner you shoot yourself many times in the foot just by being an apologist. Hell, I've read the book, way too many times. The 'Jesus' character did said many times that faith saves you, so what is the purpose of apologists?

[downbeatplumb]

Pliny the Elder - a military officer (and famous author in his own right) who probably ended his career sometime during the waning years of Nero's reign.

Pliny the Elder died during the 79AD eruption of Vesuvius. He was commander of the Roman fleet at the naval base of Miseunum on the Bay of Naples at the time and tried to rescue a friend at Stabiae. He didn't make it.

Anyway, he was still going strong right up until the time he met an angry volcano!

Thought a pillow on his head would protect him from the stones erupted. Went towards the eruption as he was curious.

[Minimalist]

Volcanoes are tough opponents.