Any Theists on AF, I Challenge You to a Debate on the Existence of God

[fr0d0]

Not interested in the fact that I'm god huh Frodo? I thought you might have something to say to me.

Oh OK i wub you too Robbiepants

[Thumpalumpacus]

I'm salvation army/ Methodist/ Protestant

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This site specifically attracts evangelicals through it's ethos. You'd have to go to an open religious forum for that kind of exposure.

This adds nothing to the conversation and is off topic but...My mother was a single woman with three kids. She worked as a waitress in a small bar and didn't make a lot of money but, for some reason, didn't qualify for welfare.Anyway, a couple of times when our electricity was threatened to be turned off she contacted the Salvation Army and they helped us. That was a very long time ago and I can't remember the particulars but it has always left a positive impression on my mind toward the Salvation Army

They picketed the adult video shop I managed in SoCal, trying to close it down. I employed 20 or so people, including ex-gangsters trying to go straight. I have never donated money or castoffs to them since, and I never will, because they care more about ideology than helping those who need it.

[fr0d0]

You're never going to know the sincerity of your lovers feelings towards you tsq only your feeling towards them (I'd hope). And that's the most precious thing we have.

Requiring some proof before belief does not require being devoid of faith in others, emotion, or love for that matter. I do have faith in others' love for me. But that faith is based on experience, and past a certain point, I would cease to believe in a particular person's love, were it contradicted with any regularity. And I wouldn't say someone who had faith in the love of an abusive partner had strength of mind, quite the contrary.

But, and it is a major but, I've never had to have faith in the existence of people who love me. I have plenty of evidence of their physical existence. I don't have faith in an imaginary friend's love.

Faith it is, nonetheless. Something you cannot know, only assess intellectually and emotionally. Sadly, to me, your understanding of the universe/ God is negative/ indifferent.

[Nope]

Requiring some proof before belief does not require being devoid of faith in others, emotion, or love for that matter. I do have faith in others' love for me. But that faith is based on experience, and past a certain point, I would cease to believe in a particular person's love, were it contradicted with any regularity. And I wouldn't say someone who had faith in the love of an abusive partner had strength of mind, quite the contrary.

But, and it is a major but, I've never had to have faith in the existence of people who love me. I have plenty of evidence of their physical existence. I don't have faith in an imaginary friend's love.

Faith it is, nonetheless. Something you cannot know, only assess intellectually and emotionally. Sadly, to me, your understanding of the universe/ God is negative/ indifferent.

What is your definition of faith?



I agree with JennyA. The people who love me have provided me with evidence of their love. It is actually dangerous to believe that someone loves you based on blind faith instead of the other person's actions. That is how people end up in abusive situations.

[Tonus]

Someone sounds like he's read the DaVinci Code too many times.

And designed a very liberal drinking game around each reading.

[robvalue]

God says false equivocation.

Also, christians got it right, but they didn't make the right denomination yet. So everyone loses, sorry. Should have tried harder.

[thesummerqueen]

They picketed the adult video shop I managed in SoCal, trying to close it down. I employed 20 or so people, including ex-gangsters trying to go straight. I have never donated money or castoffs to them since, and I never will, because they care more about ideology than helping those who need it.

I can't remember if someone has mentioned this before but they're also incredibly anti-gay.

[fr0d0]

Faith it is, nonetheless. Something you cannot know, only assess intellectually and emotionally. Sadly, to me, your understanding of the universe/ God is negative/ indifferent.

What is your definition of faith?



I agree with JennyA. The people who love me have provided me with evidence of their love. It is actually dangerous to believe that someone loves you based on blind faith instead of the other person's actions. That is how people end up in abusive situations.

Faith is assenting to information and then acting upon it. I believe that God loves me and the proof of that. I act understanding that to be true.

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@ tsq

I wouldn't defend the sa. Some news was reported on here from the Australian press a year or so ago that was clearly spurious about their supposed anti gay stance. They're anti gay as much as any mainstream Christian church. I don't agree with that stance but I've not seen any evidence of anything more offensive.

[Nope]

What is your definition of faith?



I agree with JennyA. The people who love me have provided me with evidence of their love. It is actually dangerous to believe that someone loves you based on blind faith instead of the other person's actions. That is how people end up in abusive situations.

Faith is assenting to information and then acting upon it. I believe that God loves me and the proof of that. I act understanding that to be true.

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@ tsq

I wouldn't defend the sa. Some news was reported on here from the Australian press a year or so ago that was clearly spurious about their supposed anti gay stance. They're anti gay as much as any mainstream Christian church. I don't agree with that stance but I've not seen any evidence of anything more offensive.

But beyond your feelings, what is your proof that your god loves you.

[robvalue]

Yeah, and how do you feel about me burning all the Muslims? Is that OK?