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RE: How powerful is god?
January 1, 2015 at 11:25 pm
Forsaken, please do not wait for a visitation from Heaven.
I know a lot of Christians and none of them began with a visitation from Heaven.
They began by humbling themselves to pray to the God of Heaven.
An unrelenting hunger for truth is a good beginning.
Some read His bible before that and some after that.
Some got the still small voice of God right away, some later on, or a dream or a unique situation or a song or a vision or any number of things that clicked.
This is not a road made of seeing first.
It is a road of the heart.
Spiritual not natural.
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RE: How powerful is god?
January 1, 2015 at 11:41 pm
(January 1, 2015 at 11:18 pm)Heywood Wrote: (January 1, 2015 at 11:07 pm)Spooky Wrote: Prove god can do anything. That is not your definition of "all powerful". All powerful never seems to take into account simple logic.
om·nip·o·tent
ˌämˈnipəd(ə)nt/
adjective
1.
(of a deity) having unlimited power; able to do anything.
synonyms: all-powerful, almighty, supreme, preeminent, most high
Fine. Since god is proving not omnipotent but impotent today lets try some easier ones:
Can god continue to spread the good word with a complete lack of violence? Oops, human error screws that up. But since god can't do anything about that lets try again. Can god create a divinely inspired text that won't be used to incite violence that will claim the lives of millions? Shit, humans messing stuff up again. Can god communicate using anything other than two thousand year old fairy tales? No. Can god create a creature in his image that doesn't happen to be completely fubar? Apparently not.
Can god nut up and take accountability for his bullshit? Probably not. God can't do anything because god doesn't exist.
God is a complete failure to live up to his own definition.
You are using a secular definition for omnipotence not a philosophical or theological one.
Anyways, the point I was making is that proposition such as the one you made are nonsensical and therefore cannot be used to tell us anything....including what it means to be omnipotent. They are a stupid waste of time.
"No one has seen God at any time" (John 1:18).
By the bible's own admission there are no eyewitness accounts.
Matthew 17:20
And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
God grants you a metric shit ton of power if you pretend hard enough.
Matthew 19:26
But Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
Sounds a lot like omnipotence.
And what I said was an exercise in simple logic. Which god cannot overcome. God seems to be the waste of time here.
I reject your reality and substitute my own!
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RE: How powerful is god?
January 1, 2015 at 11:41 pm
(January 1, 2015 at 11:24 pm)Napoléon Wrote: (January 1, 2015 at 11:13 pm)Godschild Wrote: If you have a heart attack don't blame me, all I did was ask a question. Your juvenile reaction was quite over the top, you need to get a hold of your emotions before they kill you.
What was juvenile? Did some naughty words upset you? I don't mean to toot my own trumpet, but the amount of holes in your 'look for god' comment is ridiculous and I think I highlighted them quite well. It's completely insulting that you come on here and spout this crap to people. That you ask such a question is far more insulting than anything I said in my post.
Classic though. Don't address any actual points, just moan about the fact I swore.
You can swear all you want and if it's done with a mature emotion I want call it juvenile, it was your attitude that was juvenile. If you were insulted by what I asked then don't read my posts, the OP was, why, and I asked a question so he/she might give it some thoughts. I wasn't even going to post on this thread again until you went ballistic.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: How powerful is god?
January 1, 2015 at 11:49 pm
God (supposedly) created the universe. What else beyond that is required to become omnipotent ??
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RE: How powerful is god?
January 2, 2015 at 12:04 am
(January 1, 2015 at 11:41 pm)Godschild Wrote: You can swear all you want and if it's done with a mature emotion I want call it juvenile, it was your attitude that was juvenile.
My attitude? What about your attitude? The arrogance to suggest the OP hasn't 'looked for god'? It pissed me off, I'm allowed to express that. I don't think anything I said was that over the top. I think it was a fair response given the shit you came out with.
Quote:If you were insulted by what I asked then don't read my posts, the OP was, why, and I asked a question so he/she might give it some thoughts. I wasn't even going to post on this thread again until you went ballistic.
Oh come on. I can read your posts all I want and if you're talking shit I'll call you out on it. Post on a public board and expect people to respond. I attacked what you were saying not you. You'll have to forgive me for being infuriated by your arrogant stupidity.
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RE: How powerful is god?
January 2, 2015 at 2:08 am
The only power god has is whatever power we give him. the religious give power to him, or the concept of him, and atheist also give power to him, by the energy they wast on trying to prove him wrong.
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RE: How powerful is god?
January 2, 2015 at 6:39 am
(January 1, 2015 at 11:25 pm)professor Wrote: Forsaken, please do not wait for a visitation from Heaven. Now that is advice that I can agree with.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould
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RE: How powerful is god?
January 2, 2015 at 6:44 am
God doesn't even have the power to be defined properly.
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RE: How powerful is god?
January 2, 2015 at 9:13 am
(This post was last modified: January 2, 2015 at 9:19 am by h4ym4n.)
(January 1, 2015 at 9:48 pm)Godschild Wrote: Do you desire to be a puppet, do you desire to make your own choices, do you want to be forced to live a life you don't want? These things are why God has given you the freedom of choice, but just like with the world there are consequences to your choices.
Have you actually with seriousness looked for God, if you really want to know if He's real it's what you'll have to do, you get serious and God will open your eyes and mind, it will be up to you to open your heart.
GC
GC, does god know, at this very moment, if I am going to spend eternity in heaven or hell?
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RE: How powerful is god?
January 2, 2015 at 10:46 am
(January 2, 2015 at 9:13 am)h4ym4n Wrote: (January 1, 2015 at 9:48 pm)Godschild Wrote: Do you desire to be a puppet, do you desire to make your own choices, do you want to be forced to live a life you don't want? These things are why God has given you the freedom of choice, but just like with the world there are consequences to your choices.
Have you actually with seriousness looked for God, if you really want to know if He's real it's what you'll have to do, you get serious and God will open your eyes and mind, it will be up to you to open your heart.
GC
GC, does god know, at this very moment, if I am going to spend eternity in heaven or hell?
God is omniscient, you figure it out from there.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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