Free Will and Loving/Rejecting God

[h4ym4n]

At some point in gods intelligent design phase it had to decide to allow or not to allow those things, right?

It could have left those out and us mere mortals would have no knowledge of them.


or it could of just created us all in heaven.

Yes God Allows what another being has done/doing... Now ask yourself why would He do that? Oh, wait could it be that he handed the keys to this world over to man telling us we are responsible for it, and we promptly handed the keys and ourselves over to satan?

Actions have consequences God simply holds us to the consequences of our actions.

Is that the keys it handed off to Adam and Eve or was there a second set of keys handed out after god drowns everyone except for a drunk and his immediate family?

Wonder how things would have turned out if god just eliminated satan like it did to all the women and babies it killed during the flood.

[Drich]

LOL, I never tire of watching you declare victory from atop your perch in fairyland. Do you see yourself as a "soldier of christ", by any chance? Would it be fair to say that your description of god is - at least in part- along the lines of a warlord..and this life as the ravaged countryside in which he plies his trade (and of course, in which he peddles his wares)?


.....do it...you know you want to, make me happy

I have no idea what your talking about.

I see God here as one giving land and title over to his sons, and his sons leveraging everything out to loan sharks. While the Father can indeed come in pay everything off and give the sons an easy life, the father knows making them deal with the consenquences will be better for them in the long run.

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Yes God Allows what another being has done/doing... Now ask yourself why would He do that? Oh, wait could it be that he handed the keys to this world over to man telling us we are responsible for it, and we promptly handed the keys and ourselves over to satan?

Actions have consequences God simply holds us to the consequences of our actions.

Is that the keys it handed off to Adam and Eve or was there a second set of keys handed out after god drowns everyone except for a drunk and his immediate family?

Wonder how things would have turned out if god just eliminated satan like it did to all the women and babies it killed during the flood.

Satan plays a simple role, he is not a God. If satan were destroyed someone/thing else would fill the role.

[Minimalist]

I often wonder what kind of a 'god' would tolerate followers like Drippy.

[Nope]

If there was no Lucifer, something else would fill the role of Satan? God sounds remarkably powerless for a being that is supposed to be omnipotent.

[Drich]

If there was no Lucifer, something else would fill the role of Satan? God sounds remarkably powerless for a being that is supposed to be omnipotent.

-or-

Lucifer plays a role God wants played. That is why if no lucifer someone/thing would fill that roll.

[robvalue]

God has to pay it up to the guy upstairs, just like everyone else. He has limited resources, quotas, and angels bitching for a pay rise. Plus all these "natural obstacles" that someone else put in the universe, meaning he has to do bizarre and cruel things to get a relatively simple job done.

I've been there; I was in charge before him. It's not as easy as you would think. Omni my arse, you try maintaining a universe with Windows Vista.

[Drich]

God has to pay it up to the guy upstairs, just like everyone else. He has limited resources, quotas, and angels bitching for a pay rise. Plus all these "natural obstacles" that someone else put in the universe, meaning he has to do bizarre and cruel things to get a relatively simple job done.

I've been there; I was in charge before him. It's not as easy as you would think. Omni my arse, you try maintaining a universe with Windows Vista.

What are you talking about?

[Minimalist]

Forget it Drippy. Way over your head.

[h4ym4n]

Is that the keys it handed off to Adam and Eve or was there a second set of keys handed out after god drowns everyone except for a drunk and his immediate family?

Wonder how things would have turned out if god just eliminated satan like it did to all the women and babies it killed during the flood.

Satan plays a simple role, he is not a God. If satan were destroyed someone/thing else would fill the role.

Is *scapegoat* that role? If not please school me and also, why would someone else fill that role?

Are you placing limits on gods powers?


If for some crazy reason God chose you to take over God role, would you continue to keep satan on the payroll or eliminate its position all together?

[LastPoet]

I guess satan must be somekind of Union leader that god keeps around to please all the idiots that would believe in such tales.