[split] Agnostic atheism is the only intellectually honest position

[Scented Nectar]

Turns out that when 'infinite Mind' has Mind capitalized, it refers directly to the christian science religion. Like has already been said somewhere here or the other thread, the abrahamic ones are easily disputed.

But even if I were to include a nondictionary, noncapitalized 'infinite mind' definition, infinite means that it would not be bound by dimensional planes. Specific math and physics use of 'infinite' have different meanings than the general definitions of the word.

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"Unprovability" points towards agnosticism; it doesn't help gnosticism at all.

So what? That seems to be the only part focused on by agnostics. I said it was only some side thoughts on the thing that there was no need for me to include. I've not been denying the unprovable aspects of it. And those things don't take away at all from the impossibility that I wrote about afterwards.

[Tiberius]

...I just showed how "infinite" can be bounded by dimensions. Did you not understand my explanation?

[Scented Nectar]

...I just showed how "infinite" can be bounded by dimensions. Did you not understand my explanation?

No. It looks like you are referring to the mathematical or physics use. At the risk of freaking people out here, I am going by the general, non-field-specific dictionary definitions which refer to there being no boundries, limits, borders, etc. Math and physics have their own specific meaning.

Doesn't matter anyways, since the only dictionary use of 'infinite Mind' as a def for god, is the christian science version.

I'm not so sure I'm going to do any youtube on this anymore. Too weird a reaction. Almost like I'm being told I'm doing atheism the wrong way, that I'm not a true Scotsman or something. I expected people to generally accept the dictionary definitions and discuss things from there, but I was obviously wrong about that. If that can't be agreed upon as the best current source of gathered, accepted definitions, then there is really no point to it all. I am quite surprised though, and a bit disappointed.

If the dictionary is disputed, then I have no ability to use, nor any expectation of defs being believed anyways of, the coiners of newer atheism subcategories, such as George H. Smith's explicit vs implicit atheism, and Antony Flew's positive vs negative atheism, and Dawkins' spectrum of theistic probability (the 1-7 scale), so I'm stopped before I can even start.

I'm not the type to keep bashing my head against a wall once I see that it's brick. Oh well, fuck it.

[leo-rcc]

I'd refer you to DasAmericanAtheist on Youtube on his work on strong/weak atheism. Maybe that would help you out.

[Scented Nectar]

I'd refer you to DasAmericanAtheist on Youtube on his work on strong/weak atheism. Maybe that would help you out.

I just saw his two about negative atheism. Good points. Also refreshing to see someone else say that he is a positive atheist. Subbed and faved. Thanks for mentioning him.

[Militant Anti-Theist]

Philosophically, no God can ever be disproved. That's the problem with Religion, it's one big philosophical puzzle and as such will never have final answers.

I consider myself a Militant Anti-Theist. Not only do I say no god, I also feel all religion should be squashed down to personal belief level and that's it. Remove all religion from public realm. No tax breaks, no political clout, nothing!

There is enough evidence for me to say no God. From similarities to hundreds of other dismissed gods and the many contradictions between the current gods, it all dwindles down to no god. There is nothing intelligent about our design either. The human body has many flaws that prove no perfect god could exist. The concept of free will vs innocent victims of crimes proves no perfect god could exist. Natural disasters and their victims prove no perfect god could exist. Disease and abnormalities prove no perfect god could exist. I could go on for a long time. So, yes, there is enough evidence for me to say "ABSOLUTELY 100% NO GOD".

If we have a doctor who can't help us heal or cure anything, would we continue to believe in his abilities? We don't need much evidence to prove he sucks. So why do we need a lot evidence to prove a perfect god doesn't exist? He hasn't done squat since the day he was thought up and I'd say that's enough proof.

[Scented Nectar]

I'd refer you to DasAmericanAtheist on Youtube on his work on strong/weak atheism. Maybe that would help you out.

I just saw his two about negative atheism. Good points. Also refreshing to see someone else say that he is a positive atheist. Subbed and faved. Thanks for mentioning him.

Here are the 2 by him that I watched.

[youtube]Hvix0ggEcjA[/youtube]

[youtube]2W45DnGeFjI[/youtube]

[Rhizomorph13]

Scented Nectar,

Yeah, theology is a pain in the ass; god is defined as something outside space/time, or having traits that seem to contradict each other. There is a view that god isn't even worth discussing until theists can provide one agreed on definition; theological noncognitivism. It doesn't really solve any problems, but, for me it stops any discussion of god before it starts.

Rhizo

[Scented Nectar]

Yeah, theology is a pain in the ass; god is defined as something outside space/time, or having traits that seem to contradict each other. There is a view that god isn't even worth discussing until theists can provide one agreed on definition; theological noncognitivism. It doesn't really solve any problems, but, for me it stops any discussion of god before it starts.

From what I've read, I agree with some aspects of theological noncognitivism, but it doesn't fully, or best describe my beliefs. I'm more focused on the idea that we do have a set of definitions for the word god. Theological noncognitivism though, is totally right in that there are people who will make up all kinds of nutty definitions for that word. I think we have a pretty good set of defs by now, and anyone who worships/reveres something else is doing that to something else, not a god, even if they want to call it one, such as love=god babblings.