She Keeps Sucking The Life Out of Me

[John V]

The last word is for a conversation that ends.....I thought I mentioned awhile back that I wasn't interested in seeing the end of this conversation?

Cool, it's fun watching you say that marriages in which the husband goes to strip clubs are the strong loving ones, while marriages where the husband stays home with his wife are the ones headed for divorce. Brilliant!

To you, but isn't it possible that this is an expression of your own sexuality? Maybe it's checkout girls..and not strippers, that rev my engine?

Some individuals, yes, but most men get more turned on at strip clubs than at grocery stores, and again, it's easier to get a response from a stripper than a checkout girl.

So, happens to guys all the time..doesn;t seem to stop us from being "tempted". Does the prospect of humiliation make your penis retreat?

No, married men do not get shot down by the checkout girl all the time.

Coke works better...I'm always explaining this to people.

I'm sure you know.

Sure, to you. That list will be different for me. You're imagining that a strip club is the tempting place when, for me, this is simply not the case. Strippers don't hold my fidelity between their tits, rgr?

Again, there are individual differences, but for most men, a strip club is going to be more tempting. Maybe you've never noticed, but porn features naked or scantily clad women. There's a reason for that. It turns most men on. Your grocery store smock fetish is the exception.

I spend more time looking at checkout girls, personally. If I had to guess...I';d chalk it up to our relative familiarity. Strippers just don;t have the wow effect on me. They're pretty girls (mostly) - but I'm used to them...so whatever allure or temptation they may hold in your mind just doesn't exist in mine. Is that difficult for you to conceptualize? That what turns you on doesn't turn me on? That in order to maintain -my- fidelity, if it were an issue of avoidance...I'd have to avoid grocery stores, libraries, and zoos - rather than strip clubs?

Yes, I'm sure you go to strip clubs to play chess and read back copies of the Saturday Review, but most men go their because it turns them on.

Cool, and the naked bit..is that the temptation then? Is that the baited hook. They dangle their ass in front of you, and like a fish, you'd bite?

Maybe. I wouldn't be the first guy who went to a strip club with no intent to touch, but then gave in after some booze and getting the ass in the face. Most guys prefer a young ass in the face to the high school girl at the checkout.

Sounds more like you're repressed id fantasizing about how the other half lives.

It only sounds that way to you because, as you've admitted, you want to think poorly of me.

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Sorry, I know it's not fair distracting you like this.

[The Grand Nudger]

Cool, it's fun watching you say that marriages in which the husband goes to strip clubs are the strong loving ones, while marriages where the husband stays home with his wife are the ones headed for divorce. Brilliant!

If only you could find someplace - other than your mind...where I've said that. Links or gtfo with that shit....so lazy, lol.

Some individuals, yes, but most men get more turned on at strip clubs than at grocery stores, and again, it's easier to get a response from a stripper than a checkout girl.

How would you know, you don't go..remember?

No, married men do not get shot down by the checkout girl all the time.

Deflection, again, lazy.

I'm sure you know.

Yup, some of us speak from a position of experience and credibility, others talk out of their ass....is there a problem with that?

Again, there are individual differences, but for most men, a strip club is going to be more tempting. Maybe you've never noticed, but porn features naked or scantily clad women. There's a reason for that. It turns most men on. Your grocery store smock fetish is the exception.

It aint the smocks, brosef - it's the smiles and mystery. This is progress though. So, given that what may tempt one may not tempt another. Allow a little leeway for the fact that we probably aren't aware of -all- the things we might find "tempting" (if for no other reason than lack of experience) then the list of temptations balloons out to - essentially- anything. Forgive me if I don't find such a strategy to be useful in managing my marriage. I don't even think that you're actually using avoidance to begin with - but again, who am I to tell you that you're wrong about yourself?

Yes, I'm sure you go to strip clubs to play chess and read back copies of the Saturday Review, but most men go their because it turns them on.

It would be a pretty cool gimmick, chess table tables - but no. I go to enjoy myself with my friends, as usual - same reason we go anywhere with our friends. There seems to be an undercurrent here, some unsaid reason that -you- imagine people would go to strip clubs. That's probably your own tick. I don't go to get laid, I don't go because I'm interested in soliciting the feigned affection of a stripper, and I don't go because I'm frustrated at home. Strippers don't tempt me to cheat on my wife anymore than the checkout girl does (or any less). Tempt isn't even a useful word in this context, in my life. I mention all of this so you don't have to spend anymore time imagining what I do around naked women.

Maybe. I wouldn't be the first guy who went to a strip club with no intent to touch, but then gave in after some booze and getting the ass in the face. Most guys prefer a young ass in the face to the high school girl at the checkout.

Meh, like I said, who am I to tell you that you're wrong about yourself? Nevertheless, some of us can answer that question with a solid "No".

It only sounds that way to you because, as you've admitted, you want to think poorly of me.

You made a compelling case. I've protested, suggested that you might not be an automaton attached to your dick - but you shot that down. You seem disappointed that you've won this one?

(bet that girls got a story to tell - it's easy to hold my attention..if she wanted it she could probably have it. My affection is a bit more fickle and discerning.)

[No_God]

Your wife is bored.

[Thumpalumpacus]

[John V]

If only you could find someplace - other than your mind...where I've said that. Links or gtfo with that shit....so lazy, lol.

If you're backing off of those that's fine by me. Nice that at least part of your head is coming out of your ass.

How would you know, you don't go..remember?

I talk to people and read.

Deflection, again, lazy.

You're projecting.

Yup, some of us speak from a position of experience and credibility, others talk out of their ass....is there a problem with that?

When the experience regards whether to give money or coke to strippers, yes, a lot of wives would have a problem with that.

It aint the smocks, brosef - it's the smiles and mystery. This is progress though. So, given that what may tempt one may not tempt another. Allow a little leeway for the fact that we probably aren't aware of -all- the things we might find "tempting" (if for no other reason than lack of experience) then the list of temptations balloons out to - essentially- anything. Forgive me if I don't find such a strategy to be useful in managing my marriage. I don't even think that you're actually using avoidance to begin with - but again, who am I to tell you that you're wrong about yourself?

Some things are more tempting than others. For most men, naked women tend to be more tempting than checkout girls.

It would be a pretty cool gimmick, chess table tables - but no. I go to enjoy myself with my friends, as usual - same reason we go anywhere with our friends.

You can enjoy yourself with friends at home, a bar, a sporting event, etc. You go to the strip club to see women. Your friends do, anyway, although I'm sure you're fantasizing about checkout girls the whole time.

There seems to be an undercurrent here, some unsaid reason that -you- imagine people would go to strip clubs. That's probably your own tick.

I think men tend to go to strip clubs to see naked women, get lap dances, etc. It's not imagination, again it's talking to people and reading about it.

I don't go to get laid, I don't go because I'm interested in soliciting the feigned affection of a stripper, and I don't go because I'm frustrated at home. Strippers don't tempt me to cheat on my wife anymore than the checkout girl does (or any less). Tempt isn't even a useful word in this context, in my life. I mention all of this so you don't have to spend anymore time imagining what I do around naked women.

You go for some reason, and as noted, you can have fun with friends in lots of other ways, so don't use that as an excuse.

[The Grand Nudger]

I think men tend to go to strip clubs to see naked women, get lap dances, etc.

Yep, sounds like fun with my friends. Course, none of us seems to be particularly interested in cheating on our wives? Why do you think that is? More specifically, why is it that we can actually have the girl on display without worrying about our fidelity, whereas the simple thought of it (you don't go, so it's all a fantasy) to you....seems like it might be too juicy to pass up? What is it, if you had to guess, that could account for this discrepency in how we experience our relative masculinity and sexuality?

(I do, btw, often find myself wondering whether or not a girl has a dayjob, what she might be like when she's not "Candy" - can't help it. Like I said, familiarity - there are alot of strip clubs where I grew up - so by default I knew alot of strippers from kindergarten. It's never who you expect, in my experience...lol. The girls up here are total ciphers though - which I guess is nice...because nothing ruins a lap dance like remembering your third grade trip to Boyd Hill, eh?)

[John V]

Yep, sounds like fun with my friends. Course, none of us seems to be particularly interested in cheating on our wives? Why do you think that is?

Paying money to see naked women and have them rub against you does indicate an interest in cheating on your wives. The lap dances are cheating in the opinion of many wives.

More specifically, why is it that we can actually have the girl on display without worrying about our fidelity, whereas the simple thought of it (you don't go, so it's all a fantasy) to you....seems like it might be too juicy to pass up? What is it, if you had to guess, that could account for this discrepency in how we experience our relative masculinity and sexuality?

You've watered down the definition of fidelity. I hold myself to a higher standard.

(I do, btw, often find myself wondering whether or not a girl has a dayjob, what she might be like when she's not "Candy" - can't help it. Like I said, familiarity - there are alot of strip clubs where I grew up - so by default I knew alot of strippers from kindergarten. It's never who you expect, in my experience...lol. The girls up here are total ciphers though - which I guess is nice...because nothing ruins a lap dance like remembering your third grade trip to Boyd Hill, eh?)

Emotional cheating too. Wow, you're a gem!

[No_God]

If my boyfriend is going to the strip club and getting lap dances then I'm going out to bars and grinding my ass on some dudes crotch.

Tit for fuckin tat.

[The Grand Nudger]

Paying money to see naked women and have them rub against you does indicate an interest in cheating on your wives. The lap dances are cheating in the opinion of many wives.

You mean -in your opinion. Fortunately for me, your opinions don't apply to my marriage. Fortunately for the rest of us, your opinions don't apply to other marriages. Your wife takes issue, seems like a good reason to stay away. Not sure how temptation factors into that? Happy wife, happy life.

You've watered down the definition of fidelity. I hold myself to a higher standard.

You're a busybody who wishes to extend his morality onto others as though it were the rule, so I don't really care much for your standards.

Emotional cheating too. Wow, you're a gem!

Good god? Emotional cheating? Okay Betty.........

So, how did you manage to quote my post...write all of that up in response....and not answer the only question I asked of you? You're the one who brought it up to begin with. You're not interested in exploring the positions you foist upon us? Shit and run sort of guy, eh?

[John V]

I answered: You've watered down the definition of fidelity.