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What came first, the atheist or the theist?
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Twice you've told me to stop. (Asked would have been nicer but I'm not your mother) Then you pose to me a question that i've already answered. I'm confused, do you want to continue this discussion, or end it?
Furthermore I don't see how I was "insinuating this forum is full of hostile dicks" when I was replying directly to you. 
Given the very primitive reasoning involved in creating gods, I would say that it isn't so much that the first humans didn't believe in gods, it was that they simply did not have the cognitive abilities to wonder whether or not gods existed. It wasn't until our species became self aware, when we began to wonder about the worlds around us that the entire concept of the supernatural took effect. Theism itself came along with civilization, but before that it was beyond our grasp. Do wolves wonder if there is a god? Do owls? No. It isn't as simple as believing or not believing when looking at primitive human beings. Before we created gods we had no need for them as explanations because we asked no questions.
"In our youth, we lacked the maturity, the decency to create gods better than ourselves so that we might have something to aspire to. Instead we are left with a host of deities who were violent, narcissistic, vengeful bullies who reflected our own values. Our gods could have been anything we could imagine, and all we were capable of manifesting were gods who shared the worst of our natures."-Me
"Atheism leaves a man to sense, to philosophy, to natural piety, to laws, to reputation; all of which may be guides to an outward moral virtue, even if religion vanished; but religious superstition dismounts all these and erects an absolute monarchy in the minds of men." – Francis Bacon  SleepingDemon Wrote:Given the very primitive reasoning involved in creating gods, I would say that it isn't so much that the first humans didn't believe in gods, it was that they simply did not have the cognitive abilities to wonder whether or not gods existed. So are you saying they did believe in God? No they didn't. So yes the first humans didn't believe in God.  
H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe RE: What came first, the atheist or the theist?
August 1, 2010 at 10:29 am
(This post was last modified: August 1, 2010 at 10:30 am by fr0d0.)
People were too stupid to believe in God. Some people are still too stupid.
(just paraphrasing  )
If by "just paraphrasing" you mean "just talking utter shit" then yes.
 (August 1, 2010 at 10:09 am)Spencer Wrote: Twice you've told me to stop. (Asked would have been nicer but I'm not your mother) Then you pose to me a question that i've already answered. I'm confused, do you want to continue this discussion, or end it?What I want you to be is intellectually honest and listen to everyone's responses as opposed to asserting over and over again this "agree to disagree" nonsense because it gets us nowhere. Quote:Furthermore I don't see how I was "insinuating this forum is full of hostile dicks" when I was replying directly to you.So... anyone who gives you the incentive to brush up on your understanding of the word atheism when you demonstrate in a thread your inability to grasp the concept is being a hostile dick? By that logic it would make me a "colossal dick" for recommending anyone to read a book by Richard Dawkins.
H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe RE: What came first, the atheist or the theist?
August 1, 2010 at 10:41 am
(This post was last modified: August 1, 2010 at 10:41 am by fr0d0.)
@ EvF : If lack of belief in God is related to a lack of cognitive capacity... why wouldn't the same be true still?
Because it's stupid to believe in God not vice versa.
(August 1, 2010 at 10:40 am)Welsh cake Wrote:(August 1, 2010 at 10:09 am)Spencer Wrote: Twice you've told me to stop. (Asked would have been nicer but I'm not your mother) Then you pose to me a question that i've already answered. I'm confused, do you want to continue this discussion, or end it?What I want you to be is intellectually honest and listen to everyone's responses as opposed to asserting over and over again this "agree to disagree" nonsense because it gets us nowhere. No not anyone, just one who can not do so in a respectful manner. Or you could have suggested something specific for me to read that would help understand the position you are taking on the argument. There are many a ways to improve your tact when attempting to get your point a crossed. Actually, let me point you to some reading so you can educate yourself on the subject. http://atheistforums.org/thread-3469.html Maybe I was presumptuous in labeling you a dick. Ill give you a 2nd chance, after all thats what my home boy HAY-SOOSE would do. Can I get a fist pump for Jesus?
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