Two babies discussion.

[Spooky]

We should send a deep space probe to ECO 456-67 to see if there's any truth to this:

Space Vagina?

[Bad Wolf]

Why has mystic done a shit and run like this?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Why has mystic done a shit and run like this?

Erm...to get away from the stink?

Boru

[Tonus]

So the moral of the story is that people can make up stuff for no reason, but there's a chance it could be true?

It's a version of Pascal's Wager, which I think fits it perfectly. Because when people offer up Pascal's Wager, they may acknowledge that there are so many options that the odds are very slim that you'll find the right god, but they're absolutely certain that the one they found is the right one. They may not have a shred of evidence for their belief, yet they would compare themselves to a fetus who just happens to guess correctly every single time.

And this doesn't make them stop and think, for some reason.

[robvalue]

I'll let babies off from not realising how stupid Pascal's wager is though. They're babies.

When adults use it, even after having it explained to them, not so much.

Like "God" and "afterlife" are such specific things huh? And if there is some stupid afterlife, atheists get it anyway. So big deal. It doesn't disappear because we haven't found evidence for it.

[JesusHChrist]

So this has been an embarrassing thread for purveyors of faith.

As an epistemology, where are faith's defenders? This is the theists' vaunted "other way of knowing", right?

Please do tell the difference between faith and simply making shit up, that may (via sheer luck and volume of bullshit) or may not (99.999% of the time) have congruence with reality?

Processes, methods, data, results, etc. would be nice. /lol - kidding! We all know you can't.

[robvalue]

Right, I keep asking what these other ways are. And more importantly, why everyone gets different results when they use them to "know" something.

[Lek]

MysticKnight's little presentation did a good job of demonstrating the close-mindedness of the the atheist mentality. They exist every day in their little scientific boxes, hoping that scientists will discover for them the cause and reason for life. If that cause and reason doesn't fit in their little world view, they reject it and wait for their scientists to hopefully, someday discover that for them. All this even though they know that matter cannot be created from nothing, and if something was never created and always existed, it has qualities attributed to God. How can someone examine the origin of the universe or contemplate what exists beyond the edge of the universe and not reason out the existence of something beyond the natural world?

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Right, I keep asking what these other ways are. And more importantly, why everyone gets different results when they use them to "know" something.

I guess time will tell how well I "know" what I believe, but I'm betting it all on it. Tell me how I'm worse off than you are.

[JesusHChrist]

No MysticKnight's little presentation did a good job of demonstrating the intellectually bankrupt and unsupportable theist mentality.


So Lek, please do tell how you *know anything whatsoever* about anything outside out little scientific boxes? Anything at all...

[Homeless Nutter]

In a mother’s womb were two babies. [...]

Wow. This is a really dumb story.

How does it end? Does the "believer" child get to be born and is loved by the mother, while the "skeptical" one is still-born, given up for adoption, or simply thrown in the trash? How does the mother know which one to throw away?

If you were trying to make an analogy to afterlife, then you're saying all belief is inconsequential, since we all end up in the same situation after death. Does that mean I'm going to heaven, with all of you god-bothering thickos? How can I avoid that - please, do tell?