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RE: If there were a creator, what would be their limits?
February 18, 2015 at 2:35 am
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If there was a creator, then we know nothing about it, except that by assumption it "created". Everything else is useless speculation, unless there is some actual scientific evidence I am unaware of.
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RE: If there were a creator, what would be their limits?
February 18, 2015 at 3:23 am
Assume this creator for the moment. How did it create? To what purpose?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: If there were a creator, what would be their limits?
February 18, 2015 at 6:05 am
(February 18, 2015 at 1:39 am)Razulxe 2 Wrote: I know im no god. But I know one exist. Im tired of this anyway-I was just hoping to find someone who may have the same real knowledge that lived through the shock. Dont tell me about truths when your side of the card has a different picture than mine. I just know about both sides of the card while you do not.
Or you're mentally ill. You're not supposed to "know" god exists. You're supposed to "believe" without proof, unless you're saying god revealed itself to you, in which case you most likely have gone psychotic (like millions of people before you) and you may need to seek help.
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RE: If there were a creator, what would be their limits?
February 18, 2015 at 6:13 am
That's a big problem. Religious beliefs mimic mental illness. There's no way to tell the difference, if someone is being sincere that they have "seen God" or "hear from God".
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RE: If there were a creator, what would be their limits?
February 18, 2015 at 1:33 pm
(February 18, 2015 at 2:35 am)robvalue Wrote: If there was a creator, then we know nothing about it, except that by assumption it "created". Everything else is useless speculation, unless there is some actual scientific evidence I am unaware of.
There are some things that one might infer, depending on the nature of the thing created. For example, if a baker bakes a loaf of bread, and the loaf of bread comes out half-baked, we can infer that the baker isn't a very good baker. One does not properly blame the bread itself for being half-baked, as that is the fault of the baker, not the bread.
This can be applied to the idea of a creator of the world (which is clearly the intent in this thread). Either this is the best the creator can do, which means that the creator is not a very good creator (and probably should have left well enough alone and not created anything), or it did not care to do better, in which case it is evil, as it does not care about the enormous amount of suffering it created. And, of course, one does not properly blame the bread itself for being half-baked, as that is the fault of the baker, not the bread. Likewise, it is inappropriate to blame the creation for its flaws, since what it is was caused to be by the creator. From looking at the world as it is, there is no reasonable way one could ever conclude that the creator of it (if it had one) is anywhere near perfect. A perfect creator creates perfect things; it is a sure sign of a defective creator when what is created is defective.
But, you are right, that without specifics, one can infer very little from the mere fact of creation, without knowing what is created.
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RE: If there were a creator, what would be their limits?
February 18, 2015 at 1:39 pm
(February 17, 2015 at 9:28 pm)Razulxe 2 Wrote: Plenty of virtual paper.
If ifs and butts were candy and nuts we'd all have a party.
How about no ifs and humans make up gods? Ocham's Razor would say that is a better explanation than an actual god existing.
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RE: If there were a creator, what would be their limits?
February 18, 2015 at 2:12 pm
(February 18, 2015 at 1:33 pm)Pyrrho Wrote: This can be applied to the idea of a creator of the world (which is clearly the intent in this thread). Either this is the best the creator can do, which means that the creator is not a very good creator (and probably should have left well enough alone and not created anything), or it did not care to do better, in which case it is evil, as it does not care about the enormous amount of suffering it created.
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RE: If there were a creator, what would be their limits?
February 18, 2015 at 2:13 pm
If there were a creator, what would be their limits?
only second base on a first date?
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RE: If there were a creator, what would be their limits?
February 18, 2015 at 3:36 pm
(This post was last modified: February 18, 2015 at 3:38 pm by robvalue.)
Pyrrho: Sure, but an amazing baker could deliberately bake a crappy burnt loaf. So I guess an omnipotent god could choose to create this dung heap instead of a good universe where we all get infinite pizzas and don't have to do boring stuff.
Dating must be weird for god, seeing as he has to create his dates. If they like him, it's because he made them to like him. Sucks to be god sometimes.
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RE: If there were a creator, what would be their limits?
February 18, 2015 at 3:41 pm
(This post was last modified: February 18, 2015 at 3:42 pm by Homeless Nutter.)
I imagine, that if I was starving and the only thing I'd ever tasted was burned/under-baked bread, I'd consider it an equivalent to ambrosia and its maker - the best baker, or indeed the best person I'd ever known (of).
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