Christians, Prove Your God Is Good

[The Reality Salesman01]

Welcome back Drich. I've missed you.

[Godscreated]

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Care to tell us which kind of whatever change into a different whatever. There has never been an experiment that has shown such and many top evolutionist are honest enough to say so.

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There you go: you start out by not talking about evolution, and then pretending the things you haven't said about evolution are somehow a problem. But I'll humor you: can you find me a single mainstream, up to date definition of evolution that even has the word "kind" in it?

Species that's what scientist used to divide up the kinds, so they could try and make evolution seem valid, Christians are not fooled by those little tricks.

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You have made an error in your thinking Esq, I myself breed show dogs and show them in AKC and Sieger (German style shows). We breed to improve traits not to change them, that is exactly what show breeding is about, if you doubt what I say look up the reasons AKC sets for keeping the dogs ta o a standard, you do know what standard means in the world of the show ring correct. I've just breed my Champion Male and Champion Female Rottweilers because of their shared and unshared ancestors. In doing so I hope to have pups born that will be closer to the breed standard.

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And at no point do you stop to think that retention of desirable traits and the elimination of undesirable ones is exactly how natural selection works upon a breeding population? Or where those traits came from? I mean, many of them, up to and including the existence of Rottweilers themselves didn't exist at one point, and came into being gradually through mutation and selective breeding. Just saying that you currently breed to retain traits doesn't change the fact that at some point, those traits arose via mutation.

Natural selection isn't what we're arguing, Christian scientist do not dispute natural selection and natural selection has never turned a dog into a frog. Any animal that can naturally breed to another is of a kind, if you must have it that way. No changes to another kind has ever been seen nor proven and will never be. So all you've ever seen in dog breeding is the same kind being born. Mutations haven't change the canine into anything other than different looking canines, and if it wasn't for a superior mind this would have never come about, there was no need until man stepped in. So, in actuality natural selection never took place with the canine, it was human selection. You're barking up the wrong tree on this.

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I do not need to bray, you've shown you do not understand show breeding and it's opposite of your evolution theory. However the dogs your parents breed are still dogs and until they become something other than dogs you you haven't observed evolution.

GC

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So... do you actually think that repeating back to me my own example of a factually incorrect talking point I've predicted you might make actually counts as an argument? Because that's... that's just breathtaking.

But please, do find me a mainstream, up to date definition of evolution that mentions dogs siring children that aren't dogs, or any animal doing that, if you can.

There is none, that's why we can safely say evolution is just an imagined, made-up thing written into books to fool people into believing the supposed superior thinking of those who have deluded themselves into believing in something that has no proof of existence. You're trying to deflect what I've said because you used a simply asinine example.

GC

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GC, do look up the difference between Micro evolution and Micro evolution. Do you know how vaccines work? You can't seriously be this intellectually sealed away. Surely there's something youd be willing to learn about besides Mythological Apologetics...

Micro-evolution- an invention of the evolutionary scientist once they couldn't defend against creation scientist tearing apart macro-evolution. Actually there wasn't any macro-evolution, it was called evolution only. When evolutionary scientist couldn't defend such great changes coming all at once, the terms micro and macro were placed in front of evolution. Christian scientist have always accepted natural selection, evolutionary scientist needed to call it micro-evolution.

GC

[Ravenshire]

GC by definition.

[Godscreated]

GC, were domestic dogs bred from wolves or do you consider that a myth spread by scientists?

Sure they were and they are all still canines, there are no real differences other than looks, no evolution there.

GC

[dyresand]

Species that's what scientist used to divide up the kinds, so they could try and make evolution seem valid, Christians are not fooled by those little tricks.


You have made an error in your thinking Esq, I myself breed show dogs and show them in AKC and Sieger (German style shows). We breed to improve traits not to change them, that is exactly what show breeding is about, if you doubt what I say look up the reasons AKC sets for keeping the dogs ta o a standard, you do know what standard means in the world of the show ring correct. I've just breed my Champion Male and Champion Female Rottweilers because of their shared and unshared ancestors. In doing so I hope to have pups born that will be closer to the breed standard.

No you are wrong because if that was the case bats would be called a kind a bat is not a kind. A bat is a mammal that can fly and other mammals such as flying squirrel. They do not fly or flap their wings they glide. Dogs are not a kind either they are what they are they are different sub species of the grey wolf meaning ancient man tamed the grey wolf and was dependent on them. I.E. human feeds wolf and wolf becomes humans friend. Unless you have a credible source do not put up and say scientists really use kinds because the scientists they do believe in a god do not believe in a biblical god more of a god who does not care.
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I do not need to bray, you've shown you do not understand show breeding and it's opposite of your evolution theory. However the dogs your parents breed are still dogs and until they become something other than dogs you you haven't observed evolution.

GC[/hide]

No no i am pretty sure he knows how breeding works how else would you get all these sub species of dogs? magic? no magic doesn't exist.

There is none, that's why we can safely say evolution is just an imagined, made-up thing written into books to fool people into believing the supposed superior thinking of those who have deluded themselves into believing in something that has no proof of existence. You're trying to deflect what I've said because you used a simply asinine example.

GC

And again get with the times the bible is wrong about everything get over it and move on. We were not created by a god check your ego and get over it we are what we are. We are literally related to every living thing on earth the only thing is we are slightly and everything's dna is slightly coded differently and that makes huge changes. If you cannot grasp the concept of millions and billions of years you are to ignorant to be helped.

[The Reality Salesman01]

GC by definition.

Spot on.

[Godscreated]

Once again, I wonder where people like GC and Ninja think the 'superbugs' (a.k.a., antibiotic-resistant bacteria) that are currently killing people in US hospitals come from, and why they're different than larger organisms.

There still bacteria, and if not for humans there would be none.

Gc

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Nope, what I've seen on this forum is people who do not believe in God yet desire to argue against God always place human emotion and values on Him.

The bible clearly attributes humanity to god. I am a jealous god seems rather human.. I am a vengeful god seems rather ungodlike as well.

The god character was created and molded after a very inflated sense of man's self.

God's existed always these things were a part of Him long before man was created.

GC

[The Reality Salesman01]

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There you go: you start out by not talking about evolution, and then pretending the things you haven't said about evolution are somehow a problem. But I'll humor you: can you find me a single mainstream, up to date definition of evolution that even has the word "kind" in it?

Species that's what scientist used to divide up the kinds, so they could try and make evolution seem valid, Christians are not fooled by those little tricks.

You have made an error in your thinking Esq, I myself breed show dogs and show them in AKC and Sieger (German style shows). We breed to improve traits not to change them, that is exactly what show breeding is about, if you doubt what I say look up the reasons AKC sets for keeping the dogs ta o a standard, you do know what standard means in the world of the show ring correct. I've just breed my Champion Male and Champion Female Rottweilers because of their shared and unshared ancestors. In doing so I hope to have pups born that will be closer to the breed standard.

And at no point do you stop to think that retention of desirable traits and the elimination of undesirable ones is exactly how natural selection works upon a breeding population? Or where those traits came from? I mean, many of them, up to and including the existence of Rottweilers themselves didn't exist at one point, and came into being gradually through mutation and selective breeding. Just saying that you currently breed to retain traits doesn't change the fact that at some point, those traits arose via mutation.

Natural selection isn't what we're arguing, Christian scientist do not dispute natural selection and natural selection has never turned a dog into a frog. Any animal that can naturally breed to another is of a kind, if you must have it that way. No changes to another kind has ever been seen nor proven and will never be. So all you've ever seen in dog breeding is the same kind being born. Mutations haven't change the canine into anything other than different looking canines, and if it wasn't for a superior mind this would have never come about, there was no need until man stepped in. So, in actuality natural selection never took place with the canine, it was human selection. You're barking up the wrong tree on this.

I do not need to bray, you've shown you do not understand show breeding and it's opposite of your evolution theory. However the dogs your parents breed are still dogs and until they become something other than dogs you you haven't observed evolution.

GC

So... do you actually think that repeating back to me my own example of a factually incorrect talking point I've predicted you might make actually counts as an argument? Because that's... that's just breathtaking.

But please, do find me a mainstream, up to date definition of evolution that mentions dogs siring children that aren't dogs, or any animal doing that, if you can.

There is none, that's why we can safely say evolution is just an imagined, made-up thing written into books to fool people into believing the supposed superior thinking of those who have deluded themselves into believing in something that has no proof of existence. You're trying to deflect what I've said because you used a simply asinine example.

GC

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GC, do look up the difference between Micro evolution and Micro evolution. Do you know how vaccines work? You can't seriously be this intellectually sealed away. Surely there's something youd be willing to learn about besides Mythological Apologetics...

Micro-evolution- an invention of the evolutionary scientist once they couldn't defend against creation scientist tearing apart macro-evolution. Actually there wasn't any macro-evolution, it was called evolution only. When evolutionary scientist couldn't defend such great changes coming all at once, the terms micro and macro were placed in front of evolution. Christian scientist have always accepted natural selection, evolutionary scientist needed to call it micro-evolution.

GC

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[Thumpalumpacus]

In short our war against Japan was a modern example of sanctioned genocide, we broke the will of that people.

Seriously, you're a moron.

Genocide is not about breaking a "people's will". It is about exterminating them.

"I'd like to buy a clue, for $500, Pat."

"For you, Drich, that will cost $1,379,528, 272".

Your check clearly bounced. Dumbfuck.

[dyresand]

Once again, I wonder where people like GC and Ninja think the 'superbugs' (a.k.a., antibiotic-resistant bacteria) that are currently killing people in US hospitals come from, and why they're different than larger organisms.

There still bacteria, and if not for humans there would be none.

Gc

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Bacteria has always existed even before complex life. If bacteria is found on another planet by Nasa kiss that notion good bye.

The bible clearly attributes humanity to god. I am a jealous god seems rather human.. I am a vengeful god seems rather ungodlike as well.

The god character was created and molded after a very inflated sense of man's self.

God's existed always these things were a part of Him long before man was created.

GC

Nod god has and always will be a creation of man. god of the bible acts more human than any god has ever acted even the other gods Horus and even the Greek and even better the Viking Gods acted more like gods instead of acting petty and childish. If i had a choice of religion now i would be worshiping the Viking gods.