Is God really real or are people simply deluded?

[Norman Humann]

Christians are taught in the scriptures of God we are not required to prove God, each person has to find that true for themselves by listening to God.

Demanding the impossible would be slightly dickish, now wouldn't it.

[robvalue]

You're looking a little pasty there Norman, try to eat something.

Ow! Something other than me!

[Ravenshire]

Why are you repeating what I said, except I do have evidence. Science has presented evidence before that was disregarded by others.

GC

So, why are you so hesitant to present it?!?

[IATIA]

Maybe it is Satan saying he is god.

What if Satan is really the good guy and god is the bad one.
Kill count wise i am going with the one who has the lowest Satan wins by default.

I have mentioned that several times. Even started a thread once, I believe. After all, was it not Satan that liberated Adam and Eve from their indentured servitude?

[Godscreated]

I didn't say that, why do you and the rest a have a hard time understanding things. I said the evidence is for me and if you want the same evidence you'll have to make changes and find it yourselves. You can't prove I do not have such evidence, but you'll disregard it at the toss of a hat. You have no interest in finding out what the Christians here know, blinding yourselves allows you to stay safe in your non-belief.

GC

The burden is on you to provide evidence to the contary that "God", exists. There is a great deal of difference between Richard Dawkins stating that "we cannot prove he doesn't exist", and the bible stating God does indeed exist. As far as the bible is concerned, it is an affirmation, whereas from Dawkins, it is speculative. Either way, you have to prove rather than the other way around.

You're absolutely wrong, I do not have to prove anything, giving my testimony of why I believe is what's asked of me. On the other hand, it's your responsibility to find out about God for yourself.

GC

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I can't prove you don't have evidence, no. But that's not the way claims work. I don't need to go around proving every negative in the universe before I can move on to what is tangible and supported.

There is no negative, you believe there is so you want have to live a life different than you do, fine that's your choice, but God puts proving His existence on himself.

You claim to be certain your god exists. The fact that you think you are infallible about what you think you know and can't be mistaken or deceived shows that it's not possible to have meaningful discussion.

I do not claim, I know God exists. I am infallible about know God exists and why shouldn't I be, He proved to me He's real, as promised. Oh, so a person has to be fallible in all parts of his life to have a meaningful discussion, fine, good to know you are. I'm fallible in most parts of my life, but when God proves Himself to a person He leaves no reasons to doubt, sorry you can't accept this.

A million people all giving me personal evidence amounts to nothing. It doesn't matter what you think you know, it matters what you can demonstrate beyond reasonable doubt.

It's not what I think I know, it's what's been proven to me. If you haven't the fortitude to find out that I could be right, fine, it's your loss.

GC

[Minimalist]

You're absolutely wrong, I do not have to prove anything, giving my testimony of why I believe is what's asked of me.

You're leaving out the fact that I think you are a fucking idiot, G-C. I don't give a flying fuck what you claim.

[Godscreated]

I didn't say that, why do you and the rest a have a hard time understanding things. I said the evidence is for me and if you want the same evidence you'll have to make changes and find it yourselves. You can't prove I do not have such evidence, but you'll disregard it at the toss of a hat. You have no interest in finding out what the Christians here know, blinding yourselves allows you to stay safe in your non-belief.

GC

I'm sure if you really did know God was real, you would've explained to us how one can really know God exists as an absolute fact (and not just believe God is real).

But you don't really know for a fact he exists, do you? Come on, be honest.

You want honesty, here it is, God is real, He does exist there's no doubt, he proved to me He exists, His way for me.
What's the wrong with belief, how many scientist have used it to find truth. Since you seemed to have missed what I've explained several times on this forum, I'll do it again.
Faith is the first step, faith leads to belief and belief leads to knowledge, of coarse this takes some time, some trust and lots of prayer and involvement in God's work and you may have to ask several times and wait, but God will reveal himself to one when one's heart truly yearns for the knowledge. It's a process like other things in life.

GC

[IATIA]

I do not claim, I know God exists. I am infallible about know God exists and why shouldn't I be, He proved to me He's real, as promised. Oh, so a person has to be fallible in all parts of his life to have a meaningful discussion, fine, good to know you are. I'm fallible in most parts of my life, but when God proves Himself to a person He leaves no reasons to doubt, sorry you can't accept this.

You must have brown eyes. I know someone that insists faeries are real and converses with them. The only difference between you and them is a rubber wall.

[JuliaL]

I do not claim, I know God exists. I am infallible about know God exists and why shouldn't I be, He proved to me He's real, as promised. Oh, so a person has to be fallible in all parts of his life to have a meaningful discussion, fine, good to know you are. I'm fallible in most parts of my life, but when God proves Himself to a person He leaves no reasons to doubt, sorry you can't accept this.

Look up Cartesian Demon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_demon

Unless you have the power to resist an arbitrarily powerful being yourself, you cannot know that the being which has proven to you that it is God is actually God. The arbitrarily powerful being has clouded your mind to think it is God. Hence your 'knowledge' is false or at best, uncertain.
You may counter that, like Sye-Ten whasisname, an ALL powerful God could confirm Her identity unambiguously. However, unless you and She have an answer to the hard problem of solipsism, She cannot know that She is all powerful and not simply misinformed. How does She know She is not a brain in a vat?

[Godscreated]

Godschild Wrote: Christians are taught in the scriptures of God we are not required to prove God

That may be so, but Gods chosen people were also taught to kill, rape and pillage, and take whatever they wished with Gods blessings.

They already knew how to do those things, God kept a promise made hundreds of years earlier through them as He said He would. Do you really think those people in Canaan were going to do, roll over, pack up and leave, yep sure they were. God's blessings, they suffered under God's justice more than any people they concurred. There disobedience caused them serious problems, why, because they knew God existed, that He was real, He revealed himself to them in several special ways.

GC